It was never about a virus 🦠

[JerryRig]

It was always about control.

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[photofly]

“Arrest opposition leaders”

Great. When can we get started?

[cdnavater]

It was always about control.

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Holy @#$!, you’re fucken looney tunes on crack!

[JerryRig]

Don’t shoot the messenger! I didn’t plan this! For Pete’s sake, pay attention to what they are doing to us. I have nothing to do with this, just show you what most are not seeing.

They are right on schedule, so expect the to hit the fan in 2022. It will be a year of weeping and nashing of teeth if we don’t stand up and stop this.

[pelmet]

All that being said……..How about getting a vaccine shot, it might keep you out of the hospital.

[broken_slinky]

Someone likes their highlighter too much. Just put the cap back on it and forget it's there!

[North Shore]

JerryRig, you're an idiot.

googling the source of that document leads one to Henry Makow's site - a site that is chock full of conspiracy theory bullshit: New World Order, Rothschilds, Jewish conspiracies, Illuminati and so on... The guy's got a vivid imagination, I'll give him that.

[imjustlurking]

JerryRig, you're an idiot.

googling the source of that document leads one to Henry Makow's site - a site that is chock full of conspiracy theory bullshit: New World Order, Rothschilds, Jewish conspiracies, Illuminati and so on... The guy's got a vivid imagination, I'll give him that.

As a Jew I am not allowed to confirm my plans to take over the world.

[Bingo Fuel]

stand up and stop this.

How?

[JerryRig]

stand up and stop this.

How?

Stop complying and call for the arrest and prosecution of the perpetrators.

[Inverted2]

Truth will be out soon. The vaccines are about 13% effective against the Omicold variant.

[Bingo Fuel]

stand up and stop this.

How?

Stop complying and call for the arrest and prosecution of the perpetrators.

On what charges? Is there any legal precedent? Didn't you already claim the legal system was also corrupt?

[CYERCaptainPooping]

Truth will be out soon. The vaccines are about 13% effective against the Omicold variant.

I only disagree because it depends what we measure.

I would say it has next to zero efficacy for preventing infection. However the vaccines weren’t designed for omicron, so that’s expected. Who cares if we all get infected if we all just get a runny nose for two days. More vaccinated people per population are infected now. Probably because the non vax are building natural immunity. They can only lead infection for so long before natural immunity reduces cases among them.

Then for hospitalization it’s holding up and working. Also helping that the variant itself has less of a punch.

For ICU it appears to be working pretty great.

Who would have guessed the vaccines are effective! Why can’t we move on with life yet.

An important thing to point out is these figures don’t define your specific risk. These are not age based numbers. So as an example a non vax 20 year old is still probably less likely to end up in the ICU than a vaccinated 65 year old.

This is not a pandemic of the non vax, vaccines should not be mandatory. It’s pretty clear we just have a healthcare system crisis. Pathetic mismanagement of public healthcare. They are pining that against us to make us feel like we should have to take these drastic measures to prevent spread. The truth is the health system should be more robust to handle a few hundred ICU cases.

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[imjustlurking]

I would say it has next to zero efficacy for preventing infection. However the vaccines weren’t designed for omicron, so that’s expected.

How many times do I need to reiterate this point?

Vaccines do not prevent you from getting sick. Vaccines allow your body to learn how to produce the antibody before being infected.

It's the difference between going into an exam knowing what the questions will be on versus having a surprise exam given to you.

[CYERCaptainPooping]

I would say it has next to zero efficacy for preventing infection. However the vaccines weren’t designed for omicron, so that’s expected.

How many times do I need to reiterate this point?

Vaccines do not prevent you from getting sick. Vaccines allow your body to learn how to produce the antibody before being infected.

It's the difference between going into an exam knowing what the questions will be on versus having a surprise exam given to you.

Then again... South Africa has only 26 percent vaccinated... Their cases vs deaths and hospitalization looks similar to us with omicron. So how much credit do we give the vaccine? I would like to see how omicron is hitting all the unvaccinated in places like South Africa. We're we sold on a vaccine that really does very little. Imjustlurking let's get some objective evidence. We can't just say the vaccine is working great. We need to see the comparison between being vax or not. As omicron spreads more it might just turn out that the vaccine makes little difference. The flu shot often makes little difference as they guess what variant to fight off each season.

I'm skeptical, but I admit it appears to help. I just don't think the fear, hysteria mandates are justified.

[Aviatard]

stand up and stop this.

How?

Stop complying and call for the arrest and prosecution of the perpetrators.

I hereby declare that I do not consent to the bullshit you, JerryRig, post on here and declare that you must cease and desist or face arrest and prosecution.

[imjustlurking]

I'm skeptical, but I admit it appears to help. I just don't think the fear, hysteria mandates are justified.

Welcome to the light.

And yes, the bullshit that is being peddled is bullshit.

Wear a mask. Get vaccinated. Wash your hands. Reduce your contact during the waves.

Those are the four things we can do to prevent our hospitals from being over loaded and important medical procedures from being cancelled.

[CYERCaptainPooping]

I'm skeptical, but I admit it appears to help. I just don't think the fear, hysteria mandates are justified.

Welcome to the light.

And yes, the bullshit that is being peddled is bullshit.

Wear a mask. Get vaccinated. Wash your hands. Reduce your contact during the waves.

Those are the four things we can do to prevent our hospitals from being over loaded and important medical procedures from being cancelled.

So simple. I elect you leader to replace Doug ford. That literally could have been the pandemic message to have the same results .

Name me any other vaccine that’s mandatory for school or employment that doesn’t prevent infection.

Polio, measles, hep? AFAIK the “mandatory” vaccines for school etc all prevent infection. Yet here we set a new precedent with a vaccine that doesn’t prevent infection or spread, just reduces risk of hospitalization and death (of which hospitalization and death is substantially more common in the elderly) has been made mandatory for some aspects of life. Completely ridiculous! Sure the vaccine is a good idea for most people, but I don’t agree with vaccines for those under 18 unless they have a condition that warrants it. My opinion anyways. Yet the pro vaxers really push for this lunacy.

Why is a Covid vaccine mandatory for air travel, why is it mandatory for flight attendants and pilots? Why did we let our freedoms slip. It’s clear to me we gave up a mile here to gain an inch, again that’s my opinion.

Hell they won’t even let us unmask now. All the things we were told the vaccines might do for us, go back to normal, no need for masks, prevent spread, prevent infection… it didn’t do any of those things. We were told at points along the way that it would do these things. Unfortunately we give up freedoms worse than negotiating our CBAs.

[imjustlurking]

I'm skeptical, but I admit it appears to help. I just don't think the fear, hysteria mandates are justified.

Welcome to the light.

And yes, the bullshit that is being peddled is bullshit.

Wear a mask. Get vaccinated. Wash your hands. Reduce your contact during the waves.

Those are the four things we can do to prevent our hospitals from being over loaded and important medical procedures from being cancelled.

So simple. I elect you leader to replace Doug ford. That literally could have been the pandemic message to have the same results .

Name me any other vaccine that’s mandatory for school or employment that doesn’t prevent infection.

Polio, measles, hep? AFAIK the “mandatory” vaccines for school etc all prevent infection. Yet here we set a new precedent with a vaccine that doesn’t prevent infection or spread, just reduces risk of hospitalization and death (of which hospitalization and death is substantially more common in the elderly) has been made mandatory for some aspects of life. Completely ridiculous! Sure the vaccine is a good idea for most people, but I don’t agree with vaccines for those under 18 unless they have a condition that warrants it. My opinion anyways. Yet the pro vaxers really push for this lunacy.

Why is a Covid vaccine mandatory for air travel, why is it mandatory for flight attendants and pilots? Why did we let our freedoms slip. It’s clear to me we gave up a mile here to gain an inch, again that’s my opinion.

Hell they won’t even let us unmask now. All the things we were told the vaccines might do for us, go back to normal, no need for masks, prevent spread, prevent infection… it didn’t do any of those things. We were told at points along the way that it would do these things. Unfortunately we give up freedoms worse than negotiating our CBAs.

Polio vaccine isn't 100% either.

[7ECA]

The potential issue with leaving a portion of the population unvaccinated, regardless of the assumed low risk for said group, is that if members of said unvaccinated group end up being infected there is a high likelihood that that will spread the infection to other population groups - vaccinated or not.

Schools, as we are all well aware, are absolute breeding grounds for illness. By and large it's the colds/flus/sniffles that get passed around multiple times a year, but there is also a higher likelihood of more significant contagious illnesses being passed on as well. So, while in theory COVID-19 results in few serious/significant negative outcomes for "school aged" children - it's the fact that there's close contact between those groups in addition to the fact that those same kids go home each day and come in contact with other people that makes leaving them unvaccinated a risk.

How large of a risk is it? That'll depend on how you view the risk associated from a school aged child bringing home a bug...

[CYERCaptainPooping]

The potential issue with leaving a portion of the population unvaccinated, regardless of the assumed low risk for said group, is that if members of said unvaccinated group end up being infected there is a high likelihood that that will spread the infection to other population groups - vaccinated or not.

Schools, as we are all well aware, are absolute breeding grounds for illness. By and large it's the colds/flus/sniffles that get passed around multiple times a year, but there is also a higher likelihood of more significant contagious illnesses being passed on as well. So, while in theory COVID-19 results in few serious/significant negative outcomes for "school aged" children - it's the fact that there's close contact between those groups in addition to the fact that those same kids go home each day and come in contact with other people that makes leaving them unvaccinated a risk.

How large of a risk is it? That'll depend on how you view the risk associated from a school aged child bringing home a bug...

So where do you draw the line of what is acceptable to attain natural immunity and what needs to have a vaccine. I disagree with your statement that is saying if we don’t vaccinate we are more likely to spread disease. Omicron is showing the vaccines make little if any difference with spread. Intact some people are praising omicron as the end because it spreads so fast it might just burn out. Why don’t some consider allowing disease to spread amount the healthy to attain natural immunity as acceptable while the most vulnerable vaccinate and take measures to protect themselves.

With the flu it’s offered to all, and usually those most at risk are recommended to take the flu shot. Why haven’t governments pushed for mandatory flu vaccines to protect the vulnerable. It doesn’t seem like we are consistent.

We keep going back and forth with these ideas that don’t seem inline with what the science has shown. IMO, Covid is over. Omicron is proving to be a weak player in the Covid world, spreading so fast we can’t stop it, and having little impact on our health system. We should stop testing, stop masking, live life as normal. There seems to be no point in trying to stop this. Natural immunity, with the vaccines among those who choose to get them appear to be effective to end the pandemic.

If Doug ford closes schools in the new year I will have a huge laugh and have to add another idiotic policy in the long list of what we keep doing wrong. Won’t be surprised though.

[CYERCaptainPooping]

Imjustlurking

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This sounds very far off from what a Covid vaccine is.

Let’s face it. The Covid vaccine is the least effective vaccine to ever be made mandatory. We gave up lots of freedoms for false promises. We will be taken advantage of in the future in similar ways. Won’t surprise me if the flu shot becomes mandatory next time they say the flu is overwhelming our under preforming health system.

[7ECA]

Why don’t some consider allowing disease to spread amount the healthy to attain natural immunity as acceptable while the most vulnerable vaccinate and take measures to protect themselves.

With the flu it’s offered to all, and usually those most at risk are recommended to take the flu shot. Why haven’t governments pushed for mandatory flu vaccines to protect the vulnerable. It doesn’t seem like we are consistent.

IMO, Covid is over. Omicron is proving to be a weak player in the Covid world, spreading so fast we can’t stop it, and having little impact on our health system.

Allowing any highly transmissible virus to spread largely unchecked, gives it ample opportunity to mutate. Mutation is the enemy, because while in theory it may result in a less severe virus; there's no guarantee that you'll end up in that situation. Case in point, had we done a better job knocking down COVID on a worldwide basis when we had the chance, we may have prevented the rise of the highly transmissible and severe strain known as Delta. While Omicron looks to be a mutation tentatively leading to less severe illness, the problem now could become one of numbers - as huge numbers of people become ill, the odds that larger numbers of people will require care (of any form) increases. A potentially less severe illness, that's extremely contagious, is going to lead to a similar if not worse scenario, than a severe illness that's highly contagious. Having said that, the mRNA vaccines were significantly more effective at a full course of two doses in dealing with Delta than they are with Omicron; which now seems to require a third dose to help prevent severe illness.

Simply put, transmission gives rise to mutation, which gives rise to a more transmissible disease, which gives increased chances of further mutation... Epidemiologically, a virus MAY reach a point where it mutates to the point of being extremely transmissible, yet less severe; but there's no rule book that nature abides by. In theory the "common cold" is a mere nuisance, that one deals with. But, people end up dying from the common cold in larger numbers than the average person may be aware of.

Indeed, the flu shot is widely available just like the COVID vaccines are. Influenza has the potential to put significant strain on the healthcare system, and often does depending on the year. But, trying to compare the two vaccines is difficult at best, when you consider the wildly variable effectiveness of the flu shot - depending on the year, versus the COVID vaccines which (out of the gate, anyway) were extremely effective at reducing severe illness.

Anecdotally, you may be right. Omicron is unbelievably transmissible, but seemingly relatively benign when compared to the dominant predecessor known as Delta. But, with more cases comes just as high odds that people will be hospitalized. Less people getting infected tends to result in fewer hospitalizations - whereas more people getting infected tends to result in higher hospitalizations... Anyhow, I'm personally more concerned about the chances that we end up with additional variants down the line that further erode vaccine acquired immunity/protection, or increasing odds of severe illness.

[Inverted2]

Yeah but most of the transmission is from vaccinated people who are still allowed to travel, eat in restaurants, go to games etc. Vaccinated people spread it just as much as those who aren’t. The longer they let it drag on the more mutations will occur. Time for the Florida model: Move on and carry on with life.

[photofly]

Yeah but most of the transmission is from vaccinated people who are still allowed to travel, eat in restaurants, go to games etc. Vaccinated people spread it just as much as those who aren’t.

Source and corresponding data for these assertions please? None? Didn't think so.