5,6,7 Pay

[Admiral Benson]

Could anyone share the approximate hourly rate for a NB FO on formula pay for years 5,6 and 7. I know that year 4 flat pay is roughly $85 ish but I've always wondered what the first few years of formula pay look like for someone who wants to stay narrow body and stay right seat for lifestyle/schedule,

Thank you

AB

[Tbayer2021]

These numbers will change as of April 2nd, but here are the latest base salaries. The two numbers per fleet are, day vs night rate.

A-220

Year 5 $109.58/122.81
Year 6 $114.17/127.81
Year 7 $118.66/132.72
year 8 $123.31/137.78
year 9 $127.85/142.73
year 10 $132.38/147.68
year 11 $136.93/152.64
year 12 $141/46/157.59


A320
$111.71/124.94
$116.36/130.01
$120.93/134.98
$125.64/140.11
$130.24/145.13
$134.84/150.14
$139.46/155/17
$144.05/160.18


B737
$110.40/123.63
$115.02/128.66
$119.54/133.60
$124.21/138.68
$128.77/143.66
$133.34/148.64
$137.91/153.62
$142/46/158.59

[altiplano]

Add FO $6.95/hr Overseas & $5.80/hr Nav-aid on applicable routes.

[Admiral Benson]

Awesome thank you for the info!

[Big Pistons Forever]

I have to ask.

What is the logic in these pay scales. The 3 very different airplanes pay differences are literally pennies per hour?

[Sharklasers]

I have to ask.

What is the logic in these pay scales. The 3 very different airplanes pay differences are literally pennies per hour?

Pay rates are a formula based on weight and speed.

[NotDirty!]

Captains in their 1st year of service and above and First Officers and Relief
Pilots in their 5th year of service and above will receive Hourly Base Pay in
accordance with the following table:
Year of Service Hourly Base Pay
1 21.55
2 23.59
3 25.63
4 27.68
5 29.68
6 31.77
7 33.77
8 35.92
9 37.96
10 40.00
11 42.05
12 44.08

In addition to Hourly Base Pay, Captains within their 1st year of service and
after shall be paid Flying Pay, consisting of Hourly Flight Pay, Hourly Mileage
Pay and Hourly Weight Pay in accordance with the following tables:

Hourly Flight Pay – 4/2/21
Day Night
EMJ $66.6448 $86.6381
A-220-300 $91.8890 $119.4562
B-737 $91.8890 $119.4562
A-320 $91.8890 $119.4562
B-767 $99.1123 $128.8461
B-787 $104.0157 $135.2207
A-330 $104.0157 $135.2207
B-777 $104.0157 $135.2207

Hourly Mileage Pay – 4/2/21
Mach Number for Variant Mileage Factor Hourly Rate
EMJ 0.82 68.1315 55.86783
A-220-300 0.82 68.1315 55.86783
B-737 0.82 68.1315 55.86783
A-320 0.82 68.1315 55.86783
B-767 0.86 68.1315 58.59309
B-787 0.89 68.1315 60.637035
A-330 0.86 68.1315 58.59309
B-777 0.89 68.1315 60.637035

Hourly Weight Pay – 4/2/21
Weight in Tonnes for Variants Flown Weight Factor Hourly Rate
EMJ 51.96 0.2477 12.870492
A-220-300 75.5 0.2477 18.70135
B-737 82.417 0.2477 20.4146909
A-320 93.4 0.2477 23.13518
B-767 187.333 0.2477 46.4023841
B-787 249.004 0.2477 61.6782908
A-330 230.9 0.2477 57.19393
B-777 351.534 0.2477 87.0749718

In addition to Hourly Base Pay, FOs and RPs with 5 or more years of service
with the Company shall be paid a percentage of the Captain’s Flying Pay in
accordance with the following table:

% of Captains Pay - FO 05 48.0
% of Captains Pay - FO 06 49.5
% of Captains Pay - FO 07 51.0
% of Captains Pay - FO 08 52.5
% of Captains Pay - FO 09 54.0
% of Captains Pay - FO 10 55.5
% of Captains Pay - FO 11 57.0
% of Captains Pay - FO 12 58.5

% of Captains Pay - RP 05 28.0
% of Captains Pay - RP 06 29.0
% of Captains Pay - RP 07 30.0
% of Captains Pay - RP 08 31.0
% of Captains Pay - RP 09 32.0
% of Captains Pay - RP 10 33.0
% of Captains Pay - RP 11 33.0
% of Captains Pay - RP 12 33.0

[NotDirty!]

I am sure that someone besides me will find it interesting that the weight factor and mileage factor used to be the same value, when weight was in thousands of pounds, and mileage in knots. After CCAA they switched to using tons and Mach number, so the factors were adjusted accordingly.

[Aspiredtofly]

Any idea on WB payscales? After flat pay

[bob99]

787 Day/Night
Yr5 - 141.09/156.36
Yr6 - 146.68/162.44
Yr12 - 180.01/198.63

777 Day/Night
Yr5 - 153.52/168.80
Yr6 - 159.50/175.26
Yr12 - 195.17/213.79

Add overseas rate of 7.09x71(minimum) every month.

A330 is slightly less than 87.
Numbers don't include the yearly 2% increase.

[futboler14]

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[Malfunction]

Assume these numbers halfed for take home pay?

[ToolShed]

Assume these numbers halfed for take home pay?

Well, we do live in Canada…

[bob99]

Assume these numbers halfed for take home pay?

Depends on your pay level and province- there's tax calculators online. Take off some more for pension and union. Add perdiems.

[redbusdriver]

sometimes i feel i need an accountant to make sure i get paid correctly given the mess of a pay system.

[TCAS II]

Don’t think 2% pay increase will be enough to cover inflation over the past 2 years…

[SHMILER]

Hi,

Can someone very quickly explain how the pay scales work?

I realise there is flat pay for first 4 years.

Is there a monthly minimum guarantee of hours?
Is it possible to pick up more hours on an open flight type system, or to drop hours? Any form of “banking” hours so you can fly a lighter month? Anything else you can think of to explain the ins and outs of the system?

Appreciate these may be basic questions but have been flying overseas for 20 years and looking to move back to Canada in the next 2-3, so figuring out how things work (and yes I know the pay cut will be huge but family getting older/life not all about money).

Thanks in advance.

[crj_705]

Add FO $6.95/hr Overseas & $5.80/hr Nav-aid on applicable routes.

Could someone in-the-know please explain what ‘over-seas’ and ‘nav-aid’ pay are for? Are these premiums left-over from the dark ages of flying at AC? thanks

[NotDirty!]

Add FO $6.95/hr Overseas & $5.80/hr Nav-aid on applicable routes.

Could someone in-the-know please explain what ‘over-seas’ and ‘nav-aid’ pay are for? Are these premiums left-over from the dark ages of flying at AC? thanks

Essentially, yes.

Overseas Operations is defined as:
Any flight operation that departs and/or arrives outside of Canada, the United
States (excluding Hawaii), Mexico, the Bahamas and the Territorial
Collectivity of Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon

Except for Pilots on Fixed Rate, each Pilot when serving as Captain, FO or RP
who flies on the Company's Overseas Operations shall receive OVS pay for
each hour of such flying during the month as follows:
Captain $12.4998
FO $6.8174
RP $4.5453

Except for Pilots on Fixed Rate, a Pilot, when serving as Captain, FO or RP on
a NJA who flies on the Company's Overseas Operations shall receive Nav pay
for each hour of such flying during the month as follows:
Captain $11.3640
FO $5.6815
RP $3.4084

[North Shore]

*THREAD DRIFT*

What the EFF is the justification for the 4 years of flat pay? I made more than year 3 flying a !Navajo! in 2002!