Why does CMA and Georgian suck

CMASUCKS · Post by **CMASUCKS** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 12:01 pm

Just curious as to why anybody with any sort of expierience go work for either of these companies. 21 000 a year shitty schedual and oh ya your FO for how long, 2-4 years. Sounds like an insult if you ask me.

monkeyspankmasterflex · Sat Feb 11, 2006 12:09 pm

Someone still waiting for Big Red to call?

sky's the limit · Post by **sky's the limit** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 12:31 pm

It's quite simple.

Nobody has the balls to say "No" to a job flying. If people waked up to L***** and said, "Are you kidding? What kind of idiot do you take me for?" Maybe we'd see the wages increase, but too many 200hr wonders see a B1900 and can't help but fall all over themselves to get in the seat regardless of wages/working conditions. Andthat attitude doesn't leave when they have 4000hrs and go to West Jet...

STL

IflyaSewerpipe · Post by **IflyaSewerpipe** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 12:41 pm

2 to 4 years is highly unlikely right now. 21k a year? Where did you get this from? Maybe as a Caravan FO/Loader but not the Beech.

These are both great companies to be with compared to many others.

Don't knock it untill you've tried it

xsbank · Post by **xsbank** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 1:08 pm

Stop doing that! Drive me crazy......

ScudRunner · Post by **ScudRunner** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 1:13 pm

Oh he was way off its $22,500/Year for a First Year FO at CMA.

http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/airl ... 307101.htm

looproll · Post by **looproll** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 2:13 pm

$22,500/Year for a First Year FO

that sucks. STL is absolutely right.

twinpratts · Post by **twinpratts** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 2:38 pm

one of my students went to CMA... he's at AC now, but I'm still here

I wish I would have gone 7 yrs ago too.

Stinky · Post by **Stinky** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 3:04 pm

Georgian starts at $28500 plus another few thousand in per diems.

Upgrades happen in about a year. then your pay is pretty good.

Doesn't sound like a bad deal to me.

Longtimer · Post by **Longtimer** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 4:38 pm

CMASUCKS wrote:Just curious as to why anybody with any sort of expierience go work for either of these companies. 21 000 a year shitty schedual and oh ya your FO for how long, 2-4 years. Sounds like an insult if you ask me.

Guess they turned you down eh????

Loud&Dirty · Post by **Loud&Dirty** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 6:09 pm

Deleted.... Nevermind, already asked in another thread.

Anonymous1 · Post by **Anonymous1** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 7:51 pm

I think some pilots on AvCanada must be mentally retarded or soemthing. Your list of complaints seem to be just about everything and this one about Georgian being a poor place to work really takes it. Lets see.....great FlightSafety training including hotels and meals in training, a chance to fly a great performing airplane built in a year younger than you, solid SOPs for a foundation at a major airline and a seniority based bidding system.

Then you get to WJ/AC or wherever and complaints start all over again. Are there no pilots out there that are just thankful and not think about all the negatives? I absolutely love my job and can't think of anything I would rather be doing.

If you are so unhappy where you are at, then quit. That's exactly what I did. Life is too short not to be happy and be doing something you love. Its sort of my experience that there are a certain group of pilots that will never be happy no matter what the company. This really has nothing to do with their employer though and a visit to a good psychologist to find the true cause of their unhappiness would do far more good then always looking for a better employer.

ramp_agent · Post by **ramp_agent** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 8:49 pm

wow, had to join after that comment, work for them, best company....perhaps they are not calling you? A lot of ok good companies out there but I like it and I am still working on the ramp.

short bus · Post by **short bus** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 9:11 pm

yeah, key word being you work the ramp there...

might want to change the thread title to exclude goergian.. seeing as they are quite different.

Met alot of CMA guys out there, not many are happy that's for sure

... · Post by **...** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 11:56 pm

Anonymous1 wrote:I think some pilots on AvCanada must be mentally retarded or soemthing. Your list of complaints seem to be just about everything and this one about Georgian being a poor place to work really takes it. Lets see.....great FlightSafety training including hotels and meals in training, a chance to fly a great performing airplane built in a year younger than you, solid SOPs for a foundation at a major airline and a seniority based bidding system.

Then you get to WJ/AC or wherever and complaints start all over again. Are there no pilots out there that are just thankful and not think about all the negatives? I absolutely love my job and can't think of anything I would rather be doing.

If you are so unhappy where you are at, then quit. That's exactly what I did. Life is too short not to be happy and be doing something you love. Its sort of my experience that there are a certain group of pilots that will never be happy no matter what the company. This really has nothing to do with their employer though and a visit to a good psychologist to find the true cause of their unhappiness would do far more good then always looking for a better employer.

Wow...if it were not for this post...I'd throw this thread in the trash can.

This new X-Box playin' generation of 'have-everything' is about to send me on a cyber rampage of bloody fury gut spilling

altiplano · Post by **altiplano** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 1:38 am

SittinPretty · Post by **SittinPretty** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 7:42 am

They don't pay enough. This much is true.
But they are 2 of the best stepping stones to skip up to AC/WJ etc..
They offer excellent training and they will groom you for large jet flying. I took a job with Bearskin and I will never regret that decision. These types of tier 3 companies will get you where you want to go faster then most smaller operations.
My advice, for what it is worth, take the job. You won't be there for long if you have the other skills that the big boys want. You don't need a new BMW right now. That will come later.

N2 · Post by N2 » Sun Feb 12, 2006 8:21 am

I'd give my left nut to get on with Georgian...to some the heavy iron is the goal. Not me I would be happy flying a 1900 for the rest of my days.

Localizer · Post by **Localizer** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 9:25 am

Most of you fellas posting crap on here need to start focusing on getting thru college or training and out of the circuit before complaining .. even when you're out in the industry ... I still don't understand what you'd have to complain about?? .. Geesh .. You're suppose to be doing what you love to do ... If you have nothing but complaints do you really love your job? ...

Loc

Special K · Post by **Special K** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 10:36 am

Does it matter if you have 500 multi or not after you get in?
Would one get passed up for an upgrade to captian because they don't have it or is it more dependant on seniority?

Thanks
K

CMASUCKS · Post by **CMASUCKS** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 11:26 am

If you are so unhappy where you are at, then quit. That's exactly what I did. Life is too short not to be happy and be doing something you love. Its sort of my experience that there are a certain group of pilots that will never be happy no matter what the company. This really has nothing to do with their employer though and a visit to a good psychologist to find the true cause of their unhappiness would do far more good then always looking for a better employer.[/quote]

I'm not unhappy where I'm at I'm just stating the fact that CMA sucks maybe not Georgian I recieved bad info on them. But I now for a fact that guys aren't happy at CMA, 3 friends work there and are not very thrilled. I'm making more than double the starting wage at CMA and to Longtimer actually I'm not waiting for big red to call you have to apply before they will call. And to ramp agent are you F*#king serious. Have at her boyz.

I Disagree · Post by **I Disagree** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 1:45 pm

O.K. Miss. CMASUCKS

Never posted here before but just had to this time.

I find it interesting you don't work for CMA but feel that it is your responsibility to bash the company. O and good work comming up with such a original posting name.

You see unlike yourself I have worked for CMA for just about the past 4 years now, and quite like my job, and I'll actually tell you why. I would like to make more money (who wouldn't) and I feel that I am underpaid for the service that I provide, but I have friends at North Cariboo and Sunwest that are also on the 1900D and I'm the best paid of the three of us (we are all in Calgary and you will find that your 4 year to upgrade thing is a little poorly researched. As most here seem to get the left seat with 2500 hours and a year with the company, so unless you start with the magical 200 hours thats way better here)

I work 19 days a month and get my schedual about a week before the start of each month. Sunwest works 10 on 4 off (approx 22 days a month depending on the month) and Cariboo works 11 on 3 off (approx 24 days a month)

We get passes with AC, Westjet, Luftansa, Alaskan, Canadian North etc. Even Cariboo, who is owned by the same guy that owns Canadian North (in part at least) doesn't get passes with them.

We fly planes that are maintained by the best engineers I've ever worked with and there is absoulutly no pressure to fly overweight, broken machines, or into unacceptable weather / runway conditions etc.

Our training is second to none. Everyone goes to a level D sim for recurrent on the Beech and I'm told we will be doing that for initials soon as well.

I also have the privalidge to work with some really great people. Sure there is always that person you would rather not have a pairing with but you'll have that everywhere. (Can't speak for your three friends of course maybe they are the few I don't like)

I am curious where you work "CMASUCKS" could you tell me why it is so much better there. If your three friends hate it so much here, perhaps you could tell me why they don't think it is bad enough to start such a insulting thread as you have.

Unless you have something constructive to say may I suggest you go pour yourself a big cold glass of F_ck O_f you arrogent sob.

Have a nice day.

swede · Post by **swede** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 1:54 pm

sky's the limit wrote:It's quite simple.

Nobody has the balls to say "No" to a job flying. If people waked up to L***** and said, "Are you kidding? What kind of idiot do you take me for?" Maybe we'd see the wages increase, but too many 200hr wonders see a B1900 and can't help but fall all over themselves to get in the seat regardless of wages/working conditions. Andthat attitude doesn't leave when they have 4000hrs and go to West Jet...

STL

Yeah, and if anyone thinks pilots are overpaid at WJ, they can step up for their free lobotomy anytime. WJ works the crap out of em and definitely gets their lb of flesh for every dollar they spend. Now that the days of big returns on WJ's mandatory stock options are over and the long list for upgrades exists (not that the L/S gets paid anywhere near commensurate with the huge responsibility & liability), it's just another low wage flying job.

Dockjock · Post by **Dockjock** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 7:02 pm

I'm at CMA too and can say it is the best airline company I have worked for so far. My only gripe is the pay- it blows.

Having said that, if you want to make money in flying, prior to having about 5 yrs experience with a large airlineyou have to either a)work like a slave or b)live like a refugee.

Pre-large-airline if you want to live in a city, have a personal life, and fly a decently maintained airplane, you can pretty much guarantee your paycheque is gonna suck. More money in flying means sacrificing one or more of the above. Very good corporate operators are the exception, but also a very, very small segment of the aviation community in Canada.

To me, a 704 airline job is a means to an end. If you're in this game to fly the big iron, it is by far the best place to get hours and experience that is directly related to a 705 airline job. The pay for a sub-1000 hr F/O is nearly criminal, and not that I'm justifying it, but pilots with comparable experience slogging it out in flight instruction, skydiving, aerial photography and other entry level jobs work much harder for much less.

In the end its a place to get in, get your time, and get out.

KAG · Post by **KAG** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 7:06 pm

Other than boreing flying, CMA and GGN are great companies.

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