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Hello Everyone,

I am happy to post AirSprint’s revised pilot career guide highlighting some recent changes to the compensation, benefits, and schedule structure.

Highlighted Changes:

1. Revised salary scales.
2. Increased company RRSP matching Program.
3. Rotational schedule being offered in conjunction with the current PBS based schedule. This type of schedule provides consistency
and predictability to those who desire an alternative to the PBS system.
4. Minimum number of consecutive available days in a rotation being reduced to 6 from 7.
5. Per Diem’s increased to $4.37/hr, every hour you are away from homebase, no cap.

AirSprint is proud of our continued growth and improvements over the years. We will continue to strive to be a long-term career option for those looking for a rewarding experience in Private Aviation.

AirSprint is currently hiring Jet First Officer and Captains, see our job posting here.

Adam
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Other HR folks: if you want to attract employees, this is how to do it.
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I do appreciate Air Aprint being so open about their pay and conditions when others keep it so secret. It’s also nice to see management actively engaging on AvCanada to answer pilot questions.

Butttt….
Bede wrote: Wed Mar 23, 2022 9:32 am Other HR folks: if you want to attract employees, this is how to do it.

This part is not true. This barley keeps up with inflation. Air Sprint’s pay-scale was never indexed to yearly inflation like most airlines do. So this might seem like they have increased wages significantly, but in reality this is just their first time updating their pay-scale in a long time. In reality, this is a veryyy small increase in wages when compared to the tens of millions of extra profit Air Sprint has made over the past 5 years. A lot of air sprint pilots are pretty frustrated by this. 6% rrsp matching after 5 years vs 5% is a joke of an increase. For someone making $150k a year that equates to an extra $1500 a year…. :roll:

I am sure Adam got a nice 100k bonus for his work over the past 2 years to go along with his $350k salary….meanwhile the rest of the pilots simply had their pay raised to match inflation.

The increase in per diems in a nice touch though.
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Dronepiper wrote: Wed Mar 23, 2022 5:08 pm This part is not true. This barley keeps up with inflation. Air Sprint’s pay-scale was never indexed to yearly inflation like most airlines do. So this might seem like they have increased wages significantly, but in reality this is just their first time updating their pay-scale in a long time. In reality, this is a veryyy small increase in wages when compared to the tens of millions of extra profit Air Sprint has made over the past 5 years. A lot of air sprint pilots are pretty frustrated by this. 6% rrsp matching after 5 years vs 5% is a joke of an increase. For someone making $150k a year that equates to an extra $1500 a year…. :roll:

I am sure Adam got a nice 100k bonus for his work over the past 2 years to go along with his $350k salary….meanwhile the rest of the pilots simply had their pay raised to match inflation.

The increase in per diems in a nice touch though.
You are completely correct that our pay scales are not indexed to inflation as airlines typically do. We are not an airline. AirSprint regularly keeps track of where the industry is going and we adjust to ensure we stay competitive. Additionally, as the company grows we can make additional improvements.

As a comparison, the CPI change from 2017 to 2022 was 13.1% (https://www.bankofcanada.ca/rates/relat ... alculator/). Over that same time, starting salaries at AirSprint have increased 27.5% for CJ Captains, 50% for Legacy Captains, and 30% for all First Officers. The 5-year salaries have increased on average over 20% over the same time, and the top of the scales have increased much more. This is all verifiable by searching avcanada for previous scales.

Regarding the other changes made, all were improvements and were based on feedback from the pilot group. 20% of the pilot group provided feedback in person, and a much larger percentage via survey. We put the additional funds where the group requested it and people benefited in different ways. One example is in hiring more pilots per plane so that everyone can work less while making more.

As for the rest of the post, there is absolutely no accuracy to it.

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Not sure I've ever seen a 25 year pay scale for pilots before.
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Bede wrote: Wed Mar 23, 2022 9:32 am Other HR folks: if you want to attract employees, this is how to do it.
Hmmm so skimming (stealing 🤔) 10% from everyone’s wages in 2020 and making the pilots work an extra day each block for free right into 2021 while bragging about record profits and buying new planes is the way to be eh…. It took the dreaded U word to even get these concessions. The company essentially prints money but won’t give anything to it’s hard workers until it absolutely has to. Case in point, instead of Christmas bonuses good food boxes for everyone!
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My comment was in regards to publicly revealing pay scales and working conditions up front which I must commend Adam for doing.

The actual wages and working conditions is up to you guys to negotiate and I make no judgement on.
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What a relief!

Here I was thinking that AirSprint was an airline! But because they aren’t… don’t worry Air Sprint pilots… you don’t have to worry about inflation!!! Salary increases were reactionary to the pilot shortage… and James forgot to mention that they were reduced by double digit percentage points during COVID while the company posted record profits. Opportunism abounds.

Also please make sure you don’t think that first number on the schedule is days per month. It’s “shrinkflation!” The year has 13 months in Air Sprint land and you have to work an extra one. 13 18 day months a year to make the big bucks!! 234 days a year minus two weeks of vacay but you get to fly a Preeter ‘cross the Atlantic and roll with the big boys!!

Oh and 25 year scale? HA! Nobody is going to stick around that long.
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I am curious about details on how a rotational schedule might work and how likely it is that someone new can actually get this type of schedule.
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Once you pick a schedule and pay, can you change if you find that 18 days on isn't feasible, or you're bored with 14 off and want to work more, or are you stuck in a contract that way?
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Donald wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 9:35 am Not sure I've ever seen a 25 year pay scale for pilots before.
We currently have a Captain on year 20 so we are extending it.

Regarding the rotation/schedule questions, I will leave for Matt or Adam to reply as they will do a better job of explaining it.

Regards,

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hamstandard wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 4:37 am I am curious about details on how a rotational schedule might work and how likely it is that someone new can actually get this type of schedule.
Hi Hamstandard,

The rotational schedule will follow the same amount of days on and off and the PBS for the same pay. For example, under PBS the primary schedule is 16/12 (16 days on, 12 days off) in a 28 day bid cycle. The 16/12 schedule ratio equates to an 8/6 rotational schedule, so 8 days on and 6 days off. Your assigned rotation would hold in perpetuity unless a time off request or a schedule ratio change request necessitates an adjustment.

As for availability, unfortunately I am unable to answer that at this time. As this is a brand new offering and we have not yet opened the bid for it we likely won't know until closer to June of this year when it goes active if there will be availability for new hires.
co-joe wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 1:32 pm Once you pick a schedule and pay, can you change if you find that 18 days on isn't feasible, or you're bored with 14 off and want to work more, or are you stuck in a contract that way?
Hi co-joe,

Twice a year, in the Spring and Fall, we run the Alternative Schedule Bid. This is where pilots wishing to change to an alternative schedule (18/10 or 14/14) or wanting to remain on an alternative schedule would bid to do so. While pilots can request a change from the standard 16/12 schedule to an alternative schedule or vice versa at any time, it is possible that should you be approved for an alternative schedule you may need to stay on the schedule until the next bid occurs. For example, a pilot changes from 16/12 to 14/14 during the Spring bid, but in July they wish to return to the 16/12. This could be approved as long as the pilot numbers between the schedules are somewhat balanced, but if they are not they would need to remain on the 14/14 until the Fall bid where they would be able to return to the 16/12. Essentially this means the longest period you would ever be locked into any schedule ratio would be 6 months.

Hope that helps!
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Hi Matt, Adam, and James,

I just thought I'd take a look at the new career guide's salary structure in regards to the old one with respect to inflation.

All of this was done with the 2018 career guide salary chart, which I've attached, the 2022 career guide available at the top of this thread, and the handy dandy Bank of Canada inflation calculator, which can be accessed here:

https://www.bankofcanada.ca/rates/relat ... alculator/

CJ Captain (Year 1)
14/14
2018 - $76,693
2022 - $87,125
2018 salary in 2022 dollars: $84,970.06
Salary over inflation: 102.53%

16/12
2018 - $90,000
2022 - $102,500
2018 salary in 2022 dollars: $99713.21
Salary over inflation: 102.79%

18/10
2018 - $101,250
2022 - $115,313
2018 salary in 2022 dollars: $112177.36
Salary over inflation: 102.80%

A CJ Captain starting today earns approximately 2.5-2.8% more when adjusted for inflation than one that started in 2018.

CJ Captain (Year 15)
14/14
2018 - $110,630
2022 - $120,132
2018 salary in 2022 dollars: $122,569.69 (nice)
Salary over inflation: 98.01%

16/12
2018 - $130,000
2022 - $141,332
2018 salary in 2022 dollars: $144,030.19
Salary over inflation: 98.13%

18/10
2018 - $146,250
2022 - $158,999
2018 salary in 2022 dollars: $162,03396
Salary over inflation: 98.13%

A CJ Captain at the top end of the pay scale today earns approximately 1.9-2.0% less when adjusted for inflation than one in 2018.

The below assumes a 16/12 schedule:
The complicated nature of the previous raise schedule that was "performance based" per the old career guide: "The yearly increase is based on time in the position and job per­formance. A high performing pilot will advance through the salary group and max out sooner, allowing a higher overall paid
income during the time in that pay group." However, a pilot demonstrating maximum performance would presumably earn an extra $3400 per year based on ($107000-$90000)/5 = $3400 in the first 5 years of employment. This would mean that a pilot on Year 3 in 2018, while earning the maximum performance amount each year, would have earned an inflation-adjusted salary of $107,247.09, with the 2022 Year 3 salary for that position being $107,689. In Year 4 and beyond salary would no longer be keeping pace with inflation, inflation adjusted maximum of $111,014.04 in 2018, and actual of $110,381 in 2022.


Legacy Captain (Year 1)
14/14
2018 - $93,000
2022 - $102,000
2018 salary in 2022 dollars: $103,036.98
Salary over inflation: 98.99%

16/12
2018 - $110,000
2022 - $120,000
2018 salary in 2022 dollars: $121,871.70
Salary over inflation: 98.46%

18/10
2018 - $123,750
2022 - $135,000
2018 salary in 2022 dollars: $137,105.66
Salary over inflation: 98.46%

A Legacy Captain starting today earns approximately 1.0-1.5% less when adjusted for inflation than one that started in 2018.

Legacy Captain (Year 20)
14/14
2018 - $127,650
2022 - $155,281
2018 salary in 2022 dollars: $141,426.57
Salary over inflation: 109.80%

16/12
2018 - $150,000
2022 - $182,683
2018 salary in 2022 dollars: $166,188.68
Salary over inflation: 109.93%

18/10
2018 - $168,750
2022 - $205,518
2018 salary in 2022 dollars: $186,962.26
Salary over inflation: 109.92%

A Legacy Captain at the top end of the pay scale today earns approximately 9.8-9.9% more when adjusted for inflation than one in 2018.

While again the old raise system was complicated and performance based, it is pretty plain to see that the Legacy pilot group at AirSprint have been the winners with respect to this new pay scale. Mr. Berntzen from the other AirSprint thread just got an almost 10% raise, no wonder he is happy. You could also argue that the long-term goal of any pilot at AirSprint should to eventually move to the position of Legacy Captain, so it would make sense in that respect to have it pay more, and have a real cost-of-living raise with respect to inflation, as these are the pilots AirSprint cares most about retaining.

First Officer (Year 1)
14/14
2018 - $46,541.67
2022 - $55,250
2018 salary in 2022 dollars: $51564.66
Salary over inflation: 107.15%

16/12
2018 - $55,000
2022 - $65,000
2018 salary in 2022 dollars: $60,935.85
Salary over inflation: 106.67%

18/10
2018 - $61,875
2022 - $73,125
2018 salary in 2022 dollars: $68,552.83
Salary over inflation: 106.67%

A First Officer starting today earns approximately 6.6-7.1% more when adjusted for inflation than one that started in 2018.

First Officer (Year 8 )
14/14
2018 - $60,374.64
2022 - $65,675
2018 salary in 2022 dollars: $66,890.54
Salary over inflation: 98.18%

16/12
2018 - $71,000
2022 - $77,265
2018 salary in 2022 dollars: $78,662.64
Salary over inflation: 98.22%

18/10
2018 - $79,875
2022 - $86,923
2018 salary in 2022 dollars: $88,495.47
Salary over inflation: 98.22%

A First Officer in Year 8 of the pay scale today earns approximately 1.7-1.8% less when adjusted for inflation than one in 2018.

This one was a bit trickier, as the old pay scale went to Year 10, but the new pay scale only goes to Year 8 for First Officers. Regardless, when you assume maximum earnings at Year 8, using the method detailed above with regards to CJ Captains pay in Years 3 and 4, you discover that real earnings for a First Officer at the top of the pay scale will have decreased with respect to 2018. For reference, a pilot in Year 5 in 2018, who earned the maximum performance-based salary increases, would have earned an inflation-adjusted salary of 72,015.09, while the 2022 salary for a Year 5 First Officer is $71,748.
AirSprint HR wrote: Sat Apr 02, 2022 10:06 am I understand the theoretical argument regarding inflation, but it simply is not reality with how AirSprint works.

James
As demonstrated above, the salary increases are not tied to the inflationary index, and when calculated based on the Canadian inflation rate between 2018 and 2022, the CJ Captain and First Officer salary pay scales do not keep pace. It can be argued, I suppose, that those are the "stepping stone" positions within the company, and AirSprint expects most pilots to eventually move to the Legacy Captain position, which much better keeps pace with inflation. However, inflation has been relatively steady between 2.2% and -0.4% between 2018 and 2021, but is now at a 30-year high (see this article: https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canada ... -1.6386536) and shows no indication of abating. Soon even the Legacy Captain salary, at the current career-guide levels will not keep pace with inflation.
AirSprint HR wrote: Sat Apr 02, 2022 11:06 am Edited the post to clarify that people would not want a scale linked to inflation which did not increase compared to a system that increased regardless of inflation.

James
According to my calculations, CJ Captains and First Officers would prefer a scale that increased at a pace linked to inflation, as their salaries gradually lose value relative to the equivalent salaries in 2018 the further up the pay scale you go. Preferably you would have salaries that increase each year, with a separate inflation-adjustment to prevent this devaluing of salaries.
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Hi Radiohead,

The short answer to your post is that the scale you are using was not in effect at the start of 2018. As an example, all Captain started at $80k at the beginning of 2018. I have not verified your math (being Saturday night and all), but your comparison would be at the most negative point. Move it a few months and the comparison would be significantly different. When evaluated over multiple time periods, the increase is much greater than inflation.

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AirSprint HR wrote: Wed Mar 23, 2022 10:07 pm
You are completely correct that our pay scales are not indexed to inflation as airlines typically do. We are not an airline. AirSprint regularly keeps track of where the industry is going and we adjust to ensure we stay competitive. Additionally, as the company grows we can make additional improvements.

As a comparison, the CPI change from 2017 to 2022 was 13.1% (https://www.bankofcanada.ca/rates/relat ... alculator/). Over that same time, starting salaries at AirSprint have increased 27.5% for CJ Captains, 50% for Legacy Captains, and 30% for all First Officers. The 5-year salaries have increased on average over 20% over the same time, and the top of the scales have increased much more. This is all verifiable by searching avcanada for previous scales.

James
I just wanted to respond to this post as well.

James says here that the starting salary change from 2017 to 2022 was 27.5%, 50% and 30% respectively. However this is not a true comparison, as the salaries I detailed in my post above were implemented in 2018, if memory serves me, thus showing a much greater jump, because in reality the salaries in effect in 2017 and the beginning of 2018 were implemented in 2015.

I've attached those salaries from the 2015 career guide below.

So if you want to math that out properly given the year of implementation for those salary levels, here we go. I have used the 18/10 schedule, as all crew were on 18/10 schedules before 2018:

Year 1 Jet Captain
2015 - $80,000 (both CJ and Citation Excel)
2022 - $115,313 (CJ)
2022 - $135,000 (Legacy)
2015 salary in 2022 dollars: $93,652.31

Salary over inflation: 123.13% (CJ) and 144.15% (Legacy)

Year 1 First Officer
2015 - $50,000 (both CJ and Citation Excel)
2022 - $73,125 (both CJ and Legacy)
2015 salary in 2022 dollars: $58,532.70

Salary over inflation: 124.93%

So starting CJ Captain salaries have increased 23.13% since 2015 relative to inflation, when the $80,000 salary level was implemented, Legacy Captains have had a 44.15% increase, and First Officers 24.93%, all adjusted for inflation of course. As opposed to 27.5%, 50% and 30% respectively (which seem to be the raw increase in salary, as AirSprint doesn't adjust for inflation) in the quote above.

You can also consider the work-life balance change from the 2018 changes that reduced everyone's block to 16/12 by default, and James's quoted percentages show the raw change in salary between the default blocks, 18/10 before 2018 and 16/12 subsequently. So there was a tangible increase in work-life balance that came with the increases he mentioned in that respect, and you could consider the salary per days worked increased substantially at that time.

In any case, here is the increase, assuming you took the increased block in 2018, and thus your number of work days remained the same:

Year 1 CJ Captain (18/10 schedule)
2015 - $80,000
2018 - $101,250
2015 salary in 2018 dollars: $84,539.51

Salary over inflation: 119.77%

Year 1 Legacy Captain (18/10 schedule)
2015 - $80,000 (Excel)
2018 - $123,750 (Legacy)
2015 salary in 2018 dollars: $84,539.51

Salary over inflation: 154.69%

Year 1 First Office (18/10 schedule)
2015 - $50,000
2018 - $61,875
2015 salary in 2018 dollars: $52830.94

Salary over inflation: 117.12%

As you can see, the bulk of the salary increase that James bragged of occurring between 2017 and 2022 include this jump, so it would be more accurate to say that the inflation-adjusted starting salaries for each respective position increased 19.77%, 54.69% and 17.12% respectively between 2015 and 2018.

As to the top of the pay scale.

Year 15 CJ Captain (18/10 schedule)
2015 - $130,000
2018 - $146,250
2015 salary in 2018 dollars: $137,360.45

Salary over inflation: 106.47%

Year 15 Legacy Captain (18/10 schedule)
2015 - $130,000 (Excel)
2018 - $168,750 (Legacy)
2015 salary in 2018 dollars: $137,360.45

Salary over inflation: 122.85%

Year 8 First Officer (18/10 schedule)
2015 - $70,000
2018 - $79,875
2015 salary in 2018 dollars: $73,963.32

Salary over inflation: 107.99%

We see here that the higher end of the pay scale did not keep pace with the lower end in terms of inflation between the years of 2015 and 2018.

AirSprint HR wrote: Sat Apr 02, 2022 8:20 pm Hi Radiohead,

The short answer to your post is that the scale you are using was not in effect at the start of 2018. As an example, all Captain started at $80k at the beginning of 2018. I have not verified your math (being Saturday night and all), but your comparison would be at the most negative point. Move it a few months and the comparison would be significantly different. When evaluated over multiple time periods, the increase is much greater than inflation.

Thanks,

James
Let's take a look at the entire time period for Year 15 on the pay scale, rather than worrying about moving a couple months one way or another. Here is the top end of the pay scale for the three positions between 2015 and 2022; the 6.47% and 7.99% increases for CJ Captains and First Officers that were managed between 2015 and 2018 would be reduced thusly:

Year 15 CJ Captain (18/10 schedule)
2015 - $130,000
2022 - $158,999
2015 salary in 2022 dollars: $152,185.01

Salary over inflation: 104.48%

Year 15 Legacy Captain (18/10 schedule)
2015 - $130,000 (Excel)
2022 - $186,144 (Legacy)
2015 salary in 2022 dollars: $152,185.01

Salary over inflation: 122.31%

Year 8 First Officer (18/10 schedule)
2015 - $70,000
2022 - $86,923
2015 salary in 2022 dollars: $81,945.77

Salary over inflation: 106.07%

So both the CJ Captains and First Officers have only outstripped inflation by 4.48% and 6.07% since 2015, with the 2015-2018 totals being reduced by couple of percentage points of negative movement relative to inflation between 2018 and 2022 detailed in my previous post.

As far as my comparison being at the most negative point, it simply shows the salaries at the time of implementation, which have not changed or been indexed to inflation between the time they were implemented, and the new career guide that was just released. It shows what someone who started at AirSprint in 2018 would have earned, compared to what they will earn under the 2022 career guide, and compared to someone starting under the new matrix, adjusted for inflation.

Comparing for years between when the career guides were released, when salary levels did not change, doesn't make a lot of sense unless you are simply trying to reduced the perceived impact of the "most negative point". Someone working in 2018 (or 2015) would experience the "most negative point" on a real basis, and thus it is valid to compare. Obviously someone jumping into the matrix in an intermediate year would look different, as inflation would have less time of have an effect; I could of course compare someone starting Year 1 in 2021 to the new salary in 2022, which would show a modest 3.22% increase over and above inflation, instead of a decrease of 1.5%, for a Legacy Captain flying the 16/12 schedule. But it seems to me the only fair comparison is to compare the matrices from the time they were initially implemented relative to the inflation that was experienced since that time.

Regardless, someone experiencing the "most negative point" should still at least keep up with inflation.
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Holy sh!t, guys...easy!

AirSprint has got to be one of the most transparent companies out there: They regularly post salaries/scales - as opposed to the majority bullshit of "salary as per company scale"; their CP and HR departments come on here and regularly post detailed answers to 'our' questions.

And Yet...they are getting crapped all over? What.The.Actual.@#$!??

If you work there, take your salary complaints internally; if you don't work there, then don't apply...

For the rest of us, please STFU, as you are discouraging the same transparency from other companies...
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mmm..bacon wrote: Sun Apr 03, 2022 9:29 am Holy sh!t, guys...easy!

AirSprint has got to be one of the most transparent companies out there: They regularly post salaries/scales - as opposed to the majority bullshit of "salary as per company scale"; their CP and HR departments come on here and regularly post detailed answers to 'our' questions.

And Yet...they are getting crapped all over? What.The.Actual.@#$!??

If you work there, take your salary complaints internally; if you don't work there, then don't apply...

For the rest of us, please STFU, as you are discouraging the same transparency from other companies...
That's a good answer to all the people who always like complaining about things even if they don't work for the company. Seriously when would we get over this, they just won't stop at all...
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My take is given Air Sprint isn't the only player in this game, nor the oldest they have either found a way to do it better or their "talk & walk" are not insync with each other. At least thats what the jungle drums seem to be saying.
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Is there a reciprocal agreement/jumpseat agreement that allows pilots to commute?
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pilotguy53 wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 11:56 am Is there a reciprocal agreement/jumpseat agreement that allows pilots to commute?
Hi Pilotguy53,

We do not have a reciprocal or jumpseat agreement as we are unable to return the favor. We do allow staff (and their friends and family) to fly on our own aircraft when there are empty legs (owner is not on board), however these types of flights could not be used to commute reliably. While we don't have any rules preventing commuting, it is not recommended. Our main pilot bases are Calgary, Toronto and Montreal and we have pilot sub bases in Victoria, Vancouver, Kelowna, Edmonton, Saskatoon, Winnipeg, and Quebec City.

Cheers!
Matt Rolleman
Chief Pilot C25A/B
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