DEC Posting

[faculties11]

How long can one expect to sit on RSV before holding a proper Schedule approximately? Hard to tell I know...

What's take home pay for a first year CA? How senior is the YYZ base for RJ?

[RegionalPilot]

A direct entry captain will be for a very long time at the bottom of the captain list, since he will always be lower then anyone that got hired before him, and therefore will only be senior to anyone that just got hired after him.

So to answer your question, it depends how many will be hired as direct entry.

Same applies to base selection and any reduction that may happen in the future.

[swervin]

First year captain is probably around $4000 a month take home after expenses.

[TeePeeCreeper]

First year captain is probably around $4000 a month take home after expenses.

If that’s the case;

Ouch!

[C-GGGQ]

Holy… like I’m a medevac fo my take home is …3400 ish?

[rudder]

Pilots that work at Jazz know that there are incremental deductions that may not manifest elsewhere.

There is a mandatory pension contribution (which is tax deductible so it is partially mitigated). There is also ALPA dues (1.85%). Also tax deductible.

The big hit is Pilot share of benefit premiums. For a top scale CA with family coverage it is nearly $1000/month paid in after tax dollars.

And depending on your Base you may also get charged for company paid parking as a taxable benefit.

[Inverted2]

Top payscale is a bit over $6000/month take home. Less than a couple years ago as mentioned due to deductions. Benefit premiums have gotten crazy.

[captainsalad]

With taxes and company deductions, including new improved benefit fees, I average 50% net.

[Kosiw]

Considering cost of living at any Jazz base these days, is the AC carrot or DEC enough of a draw anymore...wonder how long it will take before the payscale will have to be revisited...Jazz is falling behind other similar 705 shops...

[rudder]

Considering cost of living at any Jazz base these days, is the AC carrot or DEC enough of a draw anymore...wonder how long it will take before the payscale will have to be revisited...Jazz is falling behind other similar 705 shops...

Here is a tidbit for you.

There are positions other than Pilot where Jazz is either not getting applicants or is getting job offers rejected due to entry pay offered (mostly collective agreement scale). As a result, Jazz is offering pay scale above Year 1 pay from the applicable CBA.

Pilots will have to eventually fall in the same category or there will be unfilled vacancies.

Supply and demand. What is happening at US regionals is an example of responsiveness to supply side problems and the resulting competition for a finite labour resource.

[Kosiw]

Considering cost of living at any Jazz base these days, is the AC carrot or DEC enough of a draw anymore...wonder how long it will take before the payscale will have to be revisited...Jazz is falling behind other similar 705 shops...

Here is a tidbit for you.

There are positions other than Pilot where Jazz is either not getting applicants or is getting job offers rejected due to entry pay offered (mostly collective agreement scale). As a result, Jazz is offering pay scale above Year 1 pay from the applicable CBA.

Pilots will have to eventually fall in the same category or there will be unfilled vacancies.

Supply and demand. What is happening at US regionals is an example of responsiveness to supply side problems and the resulting competition for a finite labour resource.

Very interesting... they are getting creative and flexible it seems.

Do you think Jazz will go the route of just offering hiring and retention bonuses as many US regionals do instead of raising wages ?

[rudder]

Do you think Jazz will go the route of just offering hiring and retention bonuses as many US regionals do instead of raising wages ?

Jazz will have to either adapt or shrink.

Jazz current fleet 114. Minimum fleet per CPA is 105.

AC seems more than capable of adding capacity so that is always an option if Jazz/Express is unable to meet its block hour obligations due to staffing.

[rudder]

How long can one expect to sit on RSV before holding a proper Schedule approximately? Hard to tell I know...

What's take home pay for a first year CA? How senior is the YYZ base for RJ?

For anybody seeking a DEC position at Jazz, the good news is that you will start at a somewhat reasonable pay rate (compared to starting FO pay at Jazz). That pay rate will not seem as reasonable compared to CA pay at some other 703/704/705 operators. But one should look at the overall package to make economic based decisions.

What you are also looking at is a position in the bottom 5% of your CA roster. You will be on a RSV line. Your monthly pay guarantee will be the blocking avg for that Position (77.5-82.5). You will be guaranteed 12 days off per bid period (more on a month with vacation which will not manifest in your first calendar year at Jazz).

Your relative seniority on your CA roster at Jazz may not meaningfully improve over time as attrition vacancies will in most cases be filled by pilots senior to you on the Jazz seniority list. You will be frozen on your equpment type for 4 years. If your ultimate ambition is AC, your AC application will only be processed within the Jazz application portal. You will only be processed by AC within your Jazz seniority for qualified applicants.

If DEC hiring at Jazz becomes a reality, applicants should make informed decisions.

[link821]

I thought the type lock was 2 years?

[rudder]

I thought the type lock was 2 years?

Nope. 48 months with limited relief (upgrade or for new-hires after 24 months in order to get a Base that was not available to an individual at time of new-hire course Position bidding).

Clock starts running after line check complete.

[RoAF-Mig21]

A direct entry captain will be for a very long time at the bottom of the captain list, since he will always be lower then anyone that got hired before him, and therefore will only be senior to anyone that just got hired after him.

So to answer your question, it depends how many will be hired as direct entry.

Same applies to base selection and any reduction that may happen in the future.

Agreed. As an example, the Sky Regional captains realized how junior they were compared to all the very senior DH8 captains that have been here for 20+ years and are now mostly transitioning to the Embraer. Many senior F/Os, will jump the line ahead of DEC, because many of them have been waiting for a good seniority to upgrade.

[RVR6000]

Can some post the captain pay scales, is it status pay even on the EMJ?

[rudder]

Can some post the captain pay scales, is it status pay even on the EMJ?

If hired today:

Pay scale effective 01 July 2022 (all aircraft)

1. 84.89
2. 87.55
3. 91.79
4. 94.45
5. 98.70
6. 107.21
7. 109.89
8. 112.65
9. 115.46
10. 118.35
11. 121.31
12. 124.35
13. 127.46
14. 130.63
15. 133.91
16. 137.27
17. 140.69

[rigpiggy]

So 79k as 1st yr capt. thanks ill stay where im at

[rigpiggy]

Well that and a 15k retainment bonus I don't want to pay back

[Admiral Benson]

How do you come up with 79K from looking at that table..?

[Skyfoxal]

With current deductions for STD and other benefits it’s probably less (take home at least) I’m not sure how FO’s survive at jazz.

[PeterParker]

How do you come up with 79K from looking at that table..?

Most companies have somewhere around 75-85 credits as minimum guarantee. At say the rate is $75 per credit at 80 min credits per month, that is 75X80X12 = $72,000 per year before taxes. You just gotta figure out what their min credits is and you're set...

[Admiral Benson]

I personally don't know any captains at Jazz that grossed less than 90K in their first year. (Myself included)

Now granted we didn't enter the captain scale right at year 1. Most of us probably did a little bit of overtime here and there and had a mixed block with a bit of reserve in our schedules. But I was still over 90k and that isn't including the $12,000 of per diem money I received during my first year. (You can expect anywhere from 10-14k per year in the per diem department and unless you eat every meal at BP your probably only going to spend 8-9K per year on road food.

If you entered the scale DEC at year 1. Sat on RSB all year and never went to work once in a year where we weren't busy and blocked 77.5 every month (it's almost always more) then MAYBE you could see a year one T4 for 79K. But I've never seen it.

Jazz has absolutely no justification for their awful FO pay, especially in years 1-5. But people who scoff at the left seat compensation numbers are retarded. Considering you show up to a fully fuelled fully loaded fully filed aircraft and away you go.

Your 704 left seat job is way harder, and your pay scale most likely doesn't get anywhere near $140 per hour.

AB

[Outlaw58]

A lot of folks don't factor in the per diems in the comparatives.

I used to look at per diem as pocket change until I realized how much they added up over the year.

12 full block months will generate 800-1000$ tax free per month. That's nearly equivalent to an extra 20k gross. And for many pilots who carefully plan their pairings to spend as little as they can (unlike me haha), that's money going straight in their pocket.

Food for thought.

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