Flow through to AC

[kiaszceski]

Jazz will supply 60% of AC new-hires until there are no more Jazz pilots that meet the AC hiring minimum qualifications (subject to a maximum 10% rejection rate).

Is there still a two-year freeze at Jazz before being interviewed and offered a job by AC?

[Stu Pidasso]

Hey - that idiot Captain Kirk got hired, not sure what it takes to qualify in the 10% reject pile.

[rudder]

Hey - that idiot Captain Kirk got hired, not sure what it takes to qualify in the 10% reject pile.

There could be better ways to do this but it will take all 4 parties participating in the discussion in order to address issues, find improvements, create efficiencies, and maximize benefit.

I am not aware of any such undertaking in the last decade or more.

[flyingcanuck]

Jazz will supply 60% of AC new-hires until there are no more Jazz pilots that meet the AC hiring minimum qualifications (subject to a maximum 10% rejection rate).

Is there still a two-year freeze at Jazz before being interviewed and offered a job by AC?

eh its not a freeze, its a loose requirment. If they ran out of guys at Jazz they would waive that in a heartbeat.

[co-joe]

Ahhh...the ole' Encore--->Westjet flow three-card monte trick.

Can you imagine if AC pulled the same bullshit WS has been fleecing Encore pilots with? Would anyone go to Jazz at current pay rates if not for the PML?

[rudder]

Ahhh...the ole' Encore--->Westjet flow three-card monte trick.

Can you imagine if AC pulled the same bullshit WS has been fleecing Encore pilots with? Would anyone go to Jazz at current pay rates if not for the PML?

Bingo.

[flyingcanuck]

Ahhh...the ole' Encore--->Westjet flow three-card monte trick.

Can you imagine if AC pulled the same bullshit WS has been fleecing Encore pilots with? Would anyone go to Jazz at current pay rates if not for the PML?

Honestly If this happened it wouldn't be good for jazz. Almost everyone I fly with is fed up with the pay situation. My guess is most are just trying to get to AC but if they were told they were stuck for 5+ years, maybe then they would be more vocal.

[kiaszceski]

I'm hearing AC and Jazz are looking into removing the minimum 60% flow because of the Jazz staffing issue.
How true is this?
How will Jazz be able to hire if the carrot is no more?

[flyingcanuck]

I'm hearing AC and Jazz are looking into removing the minimum 60% flow because of the Jazz staffing issue.
How true is this?
How will Jazz be able to hire if the carrot is no more?

I'd be surprised due to that is one of the big reasons the stupid 15 year-low-pay contact passed. Alot of people would either leave or put alot of effort into our pay situation. My 2c anyways.

[link821]

I feel like removing the only thing that most of us are here for would have an even worse effect on the staffing issue. If anything, I feel like they need to bring back PML1 or something like that, where a jazz pilot brings their years of service over to AC if hired. That’s probably to logical though..

[indieadventurer]

Jazz pilots never brought over years of service on PML 1 to Air Canada.

Jazz paid the difference between what the pilots were earning and the starting pay at Air Canada.

Every pilot that went over went BOTL.

[kiaszceski]

Another rumor heard, JZA MEC is “telling” their members to apply to WestJet because AC won’t honor flow…
I guess communication might be helpful…

[DanWEC]

I love rumors. In the last week I have heard literally 2 completely, polar opposite versions of upcoming groundschools at AC regarding the proportion of Jazz flows. One is that upcoming will be 100% Jazz, the other is that it will be 100% OTS. Both sworn to be true. Moral is, I just saved a ton on my car insurance by switching to Geico.

[hoewad]

How come there has been zero Jazz pilots in the last two New Hire classes at AC?

Quota = 60% per annum not 60% per PIT course.

Hey rudder, newbie here, I heard some talks about how AC is taking 60% from APLA now instead of jazz, is that true?

[KenoraPilot]

How come there has been zero Jazz pilots in the last two New Hire classes at AC?

Quota = 60% per annum not 60% per PIT course.

Hey rudder, newbie here, I heard some talks about how AC is taking 60% from APLA now instead of jazz, is that true?

The 60% annually from Jazz is written into the Jazz ALPA Collective Agreement, to change/cancel that would be a "request" from Jazz ALPA which in turn would give "leverage" to ask for something. They can't just "change it" without a conversation with Jazz MEC. If AC doesn't fulfill the 60% annually it goes to grievance and from there depending on their response arbitration etc.

[Boeingman]

I heard AC is negotiating a lower percentage of flow for Jazz to AC to not canabilize the express flying

[the-minister31]

I heard AC is negotiating a lower percentage of flow for Jazz to AC to not canabilize the express flying

The big question is: what would Jazz pilots get in exchange?

[Babar350]

I heard AC is negotiating a lower percentage of flow for Jazz to AC to not canabilize the express flying

The big question is: what would Jazz pilots get in exchange?

The bigger question is what if Jazz pilots gets nothing in exchange? Grievance? That could take years?

[Outlaw58]

I heard AC is negotiating a lower percentage of flow for Jazz to AC to not canabilize the express flying

The big question is: what would Jazz pilots get in exchange?

The bigger question is what if Jazz pilots gets nothing in exchange? Grievance? That could take years?

The even bigger question is: what if reducing the 60% flow is not even being discussed and anyone suggesting it is just going fishing?

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[the-minister31]

The big question is: what would Jazz pilots get in exchange?

The bigger question is what if Jazz pilots gets nothing in exchange? Grievance? That could take years?

The even bigger question is: what if reducing the 60% flow is not even being discussed and anyone suggesting it is just going fishing?

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That is definitely a possibility too! Who knows, maybe some people on Avcan have no direct knowledge of the situation