Should Air Canada be nationalized

[WellThatAgedWell]

https://canadiandimension.com/articles/ ... air-canada

Above is an opinion piece. Weak arguments but fun to entertain anyways.

What would jobs look like at Air Canada if this were to happen? Would service improve? Would it be profitable? Would it better serve the public?

[rudder]

No.

[fish4life]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6389874

This is what happens when the government gets involved

[PeterParker]

Let's also nationalize Nav Canada while we're at it. Nav Canada is a gong show to the point that I feel that we're going to see airplanes fall out of the sky due to an utter and complete lack of staffing within Canada's ATC system...

Also, for everyone in here who will invariably come out to argue how privatization will make things better - show me how Nav Canada is supposedly better than the FAA's ATC system?

[altiplano]

We should contract or cede control of our entire air system to the FAA, boot Transport, Nav Canada, CATSA, GTAA, etc. - the whole lot of them. Complete integration from agency mandate to licensing to flight time rules to air traffic to airport priorities.

[TFTMB heavy]

We should contract or cede control of our entire air system to the FAA, boot Transport, Nav Canada, CATSA, GTAA, etc. - the whole lot of them. Complete integration from agency mandate to licensing to flight time rules to air traffic to airport priorities.

Only if we can keep CPDLC.

[altiplano]

CPDLC has launched in several US centres. The infrastructure is there nationwide. No doubt we will see national KUSA coverage soon.

[Blue42]

CPDLC has launched in several US centres. The infrastructure is there nationwide. No doubt we will see national KUSA coverage soon.

We asked a US controller one day when theirs would be on line for Canadian aircraft, the response was “you will be able to once you guys are caught up!” . It was silence when we responded that we’ve had it for years….

[DHC-1 Jockey]

Let's also nationalize Nav Canada while we're at it. Nav Canada is a gong show to the point that I feel that we're going to see airplanes fall out of the sky due to an utter and complete lack of staffing within Canada's ATC system...

Also, for everyone in here who will invariably come out to argue how privatization will make things better - show me how Nav Canada is supposedly better than the FAA's ATC system?

If you've been following the ATC FAA subreddit, you know that things aren't any better in the FAA. Their staffing is at critical levels much the same way NavCanada is.

And for the technology, NavCanada has the FAA beat hands down. When they come visit, FAA controllers are amazed at the technology NavCanada is using. I believe some FAA sites are still using old-school paper strips that get sent from one sector to another by vacuum tube the way it was done in the 60's.

[newlygrounded]

Let's also nationalize Nav Canada while we're at it. Nav Canada is a gong show to the point that I feel that we're going to see airplanes fall out of the sky due to an utter and complete lack of staffing within Canada's ATC system...

Also, for everyone in here who will invariably come out to argue how privatization will make things better - show me how Nav Canada is supposedly better than the FAA's ATC system?

If you've been following the ATC FAA subreddit, you know that things aren't any better in the FAA. Their staffing is at critical levels much the same way NavCanada is.

And for the technology, NavCanada has the FAA beat hands down. When they come visit, FAA controllers are amazed at the technology NavCanada is using. I believe some FAA sites are still using old-school paper strips that get sent from one sector to another by vacuum tube the way it was done in the 60's.

Try to call or email TC then then a fsdo. See who replies first?

[alkaseltzer]

Nationalize the airport authorities and ATC.

Much better for the end customer.

[rudder]

Nationalize the airport authorities and ATC.

Much better for the end customer.

You mean reverse everything the Feds have done over the past 25 years?

[JHR]

Let's also nationalize Nav Canada while we're at it. Nav Canada is a gong show to the point that I feel that we're going to see airplanes fall out of the sky due to an utter and complete lack of staffing within Canada's ATC system...

Also, for everyone in here who will invariably come out to argue how privatization will make things better - show me how Nav Canada is supposedly better than the FAA's ATC system?

If you've been following the ATC FAA subreddit, you know that things aren't any better in the FAA. Their staffing is at critical levels much the same way NavCanada is.

And for the technology, NavCanada has the FAA beat hands down. When they come visit, FAA controllers are amazed at the technology NavCanada is using. I believe some FAA sites are still using old-school paper strips that get sent from one sector to another by vacuum tube the way it was done in the 60's.

Try to call or email TC then then a fsdo. See who replies first?

Oh the FSDO does respond quickly. Unfortunately they tell you nobody is back in the office due to covid and you need to work through a third party $$$ to have your issue addressed!

[photofly]

Nationalize the airport authorities and ATC.

If it takes Transport Canada sixteen months to issue a Category 1 medical, what makes you think they're going to get you through customs any faster than the GTAA?

[schnitzel2k3]

Let's also nationalize Nav Canada while we're at it. Nav Canada is a gong show to the point that I feel that we're going to see airplanes fall out of the sky due to an utter and complete lack of staffing within Canada's ATC system...

Also, for everyone in here who will invariably come out to argue how privatization will make things better - show me how Nav Canada is supposedly better than the FAA's ATC system?

If you've been following the ATC FAA subreddit, you know that things aren't any better in the FAA. Their staffing is at critical levels much the same way NavCanada is.

And for the technology, NavCanada has the FAA beat hands down. When they come visit, FAA controllers are amazed at the technology NavCanada is using. I believe some FAA sites are still using old-school paper strips that get sent from one sector to another by vacuum tube the way it was done in the 60's.

Gotta be honest, whatever they (FAA) are using for weather is way better than Canada. I feel a lot more confident getting vectors from the Americans in terminal airspace, vs Canadian controllers who repeatedly vector into significant weather.

[jpilot77]

Let's also nationalize Nav Canada while we're at it. Nav Canada is a gong show to the point that I feel that we're going to see airplanes fall out of the sky due to an utter and complete lack of staffing within Canada's ATC system...

Also, for everyone in here who will invariably come out to argue how privatization will make things better - show me how Nav Canada is supposedly better than the FAA's ATC system?

If you've been following the ATC FAA subreddit, you know that things aren't any better in the FAA. Their staffing is at critical levels much the same way NavCanada is.

And for the technology, NavCanada has the FAA beat hands down. When they come visit, FAA controllers are amazed at the technology NavCanada is using. I believe some FAA sites are still using old-school paper strips that get sent from one sector to another by vacuum tube the way it was done in the 60's.

Gotta be honest, whatever they (FAA) are using for weather is way better than Canada. I feel a lot more confident getting vectors from the Americans in terminal airspace, vs Canadian controllers who repeatedly vector into significant weather.

100%

[newlygrounded]

If you've been following the ATC FAA subreddit, you know that things aren't any better in the FAA. Their staffing is at critical levels much the same way NavCanada is.

And for the technology, NavCanada has the FAA beat hands down. When they come visit, FAA controllers are amazed at the technology NavCanada is using. I believe some FAA sites are still using old-school paper strips that get sent from one sector to another by vacuum tube the way it was done in the 60's.

Try to call or email TC then then a fsdo. See who replies first?

Oh the FSDO does respond quickly. Unfortunately they tell you nobody is back in the office due to covid and you need to work through a third party $$$ to have your issue addressed!

Hasn't been my experience. See what the others said about ATC vectors too

[Arnie Pye]

Let's also nationalize Nav Canada while we're at it. Nav Canada is a gong show to the point that I feel that we're going to see airplanes fall out of the sky due to an utter and complete lack of staffing within Canada's ATC system...

Also, for everyone in here who will invariably come out to argue how privatization will make things better - show me how Nav Canada is supposedly better than the FAA's ATC system?

Two words: Descend Via,...

[JHR]

Try to call or email TC then then a fsdo. See who replies first?

Oh the FSDO does respond quickly. Unfortunately they tell you nobody is back in the office due to covid and you need to work through a third party $$$ to have your issue addressed!

Hasn't been my experience. See what the others said about ATC vectors too

I must have made it up then...

[alkaseltzer]

Nationalize the airport authorities and ATC.

Much better for the end customer.

You mean reverse everything the Feds have done over the past 25 years?

Gaslighted question. What have the feds done to be reversed?