New CARS rules and business aviation

[CorpPilot]

Havent not had too much of a browse with these new rules coming down the pipe, but does anyone have a coles notes rundown on how these will affect the business aviation world here in Canada?

[Blueontop]

Havent not had too much of a browse with these new rules coming down the pipe, but does anyone have a coles notes rundown on how these will affect the business aviation world here in Canada?

Don’t worry just apply for every exemption in the “book” and TC will give it to you…

Why actually do anything about fatigue when you can just pretend you did and call it a day.

[digits_]

Havent not had too much of a browse with these new rules coming down the pipe, but does anyone have a coles notes rundown on how these will affect the business aviation world here in Canada?

The changes don't affect 604 operations.

[schnitzel2k3]

Not yet, Sulako had a fantastic post, that had a bunch of disbelievers and nay-sayers in it.

Surprisingly - these rules are coming into effect with few if any workarounds, and it ****will eventually***** apply to 604 as well (604 might as well just be 704, honestly). 604 =/= Part 91 in the U.S.

Smart ops are making big moves to add crew to meet min 75% availability. The ones that are waiting to see if and when an exemption is going to apply, are going to see owners flip out or see major drops in utilization because crew don't meet fatigue dispatch requirements. Owners are likely going to have to restrict availability to private ops only, if they were previously chartering, further tightening the charter market. Chartright should do well cleaning up on the charter market, running things at like 110%, like they always do.

Personally, this should be a clear sign as to who to work for - the company that takes preventative measures to meet or exceed future requirements.

On top of this, the bottom feeders won't be able to train up new crew on most common types for months (perhaps years) at this current timeline.

[digits_]

The beauty of regulations is that you can quote them

Could you quote the ones affecting 604 ops?

[schnitzel2k3]

Agreed.

Nothing in the Gazette yet specificically referencing 604, but I'm hearing rumblings that it won't be far behind and should mirror 704, once things get settled. The vast majority of jets are managed under 704 these days - so the 704 December reg update will cover a huge portion of C-reg business jets. Hence why even through the summer there is a fair amount of hiring taking place.

That being said, the narrative is, fatigue is fatigue, period. It's not like you magically don't get tired in a busy, under staffed, private flight department - where you're typically juggling multiple hats.

[digits_]

Agreed.

Nothing in the Gazette yet specificically referencing 604, but I'm hearing rumblings that it won't be far behind and should mirror 704, once things get settled. The vast majority of jets are managed under 704 these days - so the 704 December reg update will cover a huge portion of C-reg business jets. Hence why even through the summer there is a fair amount of hiring taking place.

That being said, the narrative is, fatigue is fatigue, period. It's not like you magically don't get tired in a busy, under staffed, private flight department - where you're typically juggling multiple hats.

I agree completely, but the government should have applied the rules to all operators if that was truly their point of view or intent. They specifically limited it to 703-705.

Until that changes, I will remain skeptical, and hope that I am wrong.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

Not yet, Sulako had a fantastic post, that had a bunch of disbelievers and nay-sayers in it.

Surprisingly - these rules are coming into effect with few if any workarounds, and it applies to 604 as well (604 might as well just be 704, honestly). 604 =/= Part 91 in the U.S.

Smart ops are making big moves to add crew to meet min 75% availability. The ones that are waiting to see if and when an exemption is going to apply, are going to see owners flip out or see major drops in utilization because crew don't meet fatigue dispatch requirements. Owners are likely going to have to restrict availability to private ops only, if they were previously chartering, further tightening the charter market. Chartright should do well cleaning up on the charter market, running things at like 110%, like they always do.

Personally, this should be a clear sign as to who to work for - the company that takes preventative measures to meet or exceed future requirements.

On top of this, the bottom feeders won't be able to train up new crew on most common types for months (perhaps years) at this current timeline.

I would expect this would hurt the charter market too no?