Revolving Doors

[Bug_Stomper_01]

What area of Canadas aviation (flying and fixing, they tend to go hand in hand per company) does everyone think has the highest turnover?

[Squaretail]

Flight instructing.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

Flight instructing.

Yep that’s one I didn’t even think of

[pitottubey]

Aerial Survey

[Bug_Stomper_01]

Aerial Survey

I did it for years… I had a blast personally.

[digits_]

Fixed wing medevac in Manitoba

[Bug_Stomper_01]

Fixed wing medevac in Manitoba

Ya I heard there’s low pay cumming in hot lol

[Bueno74]

2 hour call-out charter management companies flying CARs maximum.

[Bede]

Aerial Survey

Really? What companies? I worked for a survey company over Covid and their pilots stuck around for years. Pay was good and they were treated well.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

Aerial Survey

Really? What companies? I worked for a survey company over Covid and their pilots stuck around for years. Pay was good and they were treated well.

I did it for years and got paid very well for it. The pay is way down from what it was. Depends on the companies, I’m too far removed now to know all the particulars but the bird towing jobs aren’t what they used to be

[Bug_Stomper_01]

2 hour call-out charter management companies flying CARs maximum.

ABSOLUTELY, that goes without saying. Some are much worse than others unfortunately. Any company with 15-20 job postings at any one time for is a red flag imo

[praveen4143]

Definitely FTUs!

I saw Springbank flight schools barely able to keep up with churning out Class 4 instructors in 2019. On days when they saw a Class 4 ride being successful, they saw one or two instructors leave for a faster airplane. Class 1 flight instructors were pretty much only allowed to work with Class 4 instructor candidates at the flying club and the air training college. Class 2-4 were allowed to do the "other" flying stuff.

EDIT: I am already hearing rumblings of things starting to move in this direction in the Vancouver and Calgary areas.

[Crossthreaded]

Bit off topic, are management company’s any good to work for as an AME? I can’t get any info from anyone on this topic.

[Bueno74]

2 hour call-out charter management companies flying CARs maximum.

ABSOLUTELY, that goes without saying. Some are much worse than others unfortunately. Any company with 15-20 job postings at any one time for is a red flag imo

Flightexec has posted the same job ad 6 times in the last few months. Hmmm…

[ellinas]

Definitely FTUs!

I saw Springbank flight schools barely able to keep up with churning out Class 4 instructors in 2019. On days when they saw a Class 4 ride being successful, they saw one or two instructors leave for a faster airplane. Class 1 flight instructors were pretty much only allowed to work with Class 4 instructor candidates at the flying club and the air training college. Class 2-4 were allowed to do the "other" flying stuff.

EDIT: I am already hearing rumblings of things starting to move in this direction in the Vancouver and Calgary areas.

People are saying there might be a severe shortage of flight instructors by next spring??

[Bug_Stomper_01]

2 hour call-out charter management companies flying CARs maximum.

ABSOLUTELY, that goes without saying. Some are much worse than others unfortunately. Any company with 15-20 job postings at any one time for is a red flag imo

Flightexec has posted the same job ad 6 times in the last few months. Hmmm…

Don’t know anything about them, they’re a midsized management company is all I know.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

Definitely FTUs!

I saw Springbank flight schools barely able to keep up with churning out Class 4 instructors in 2019. On days when they saw a Class 4 ride being successful, they saw one or two instructors leave for a faster airplane. Class 1 flight instructors were pretty much only allowed to work with Class 4 instructor candidates at the flying club and the air training college. Class 2-4 were allowed to do the "other" flying stuff.

EDIT: I am already hearing rumblings of things starting to move in this direction in the Vancouver and Calgary areas.

People are saying there might be a severe shortage of flight instructors by next spring??

There is no shortage of personnel in any role in Canada period! The licenses and training is out there, the will to work for garbage however is what’s scarce!

[ellinas]

Definitely FTUs!

I saw Springbank flight schools barely able to keep up with churning out Class 4 instructors in 2019. On days when they saw a Class 4 ride being successful, they saw one or two instructors leave for a faster airplane. Class 1 flight instructors were pretty much only allowed to work with Class 4 instructor candidates at the flying club and the air training college. Class 2-4 were allowed to do the "other" flying stuff.

EDIT: I am already hearing rumblings of things starting to move in this direction in the Vancouver and Calgary areas.

People are saying there might be a severe shortage of flight instructors by next spring??

There is no shortage of personnel in any role in Canada period! The licenses and training is out there, the will to work for garbage however is what’s scarce!

I agree 100%, but how do we change it? Why can’t we just stop flying for shit wages but united we are not.

I’ve been involved in other such rallies and will do it again but only if we all do it.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

People are saying there might be a severe shortage of flight instructors by next spring??

There is no shortage of personnel in any role in Canada period! The licenses and training is out there, the will to work for garbage however is what’s scarce!

I agree 100%, but how do we change it? Why can’t we just stop flying for shit wages but united we are not.

I’ve been involved in other such rallies and will do it again but only if we all do it.

I don’t know, I fought that battle for decades and now I work in aviation almost exclusively states side (for this reason).
Legislation in Canada for employers to employ TFW’s / non immigrant workers at their leisure rather than promoting Canadians from within. Applying for and ALWAYS being approved for hours of averaging work schedules, our relatively small and costly industry with almost zero vetting by the government agency’s responsible for this conduct etc is far too loose and almost completely unenforced.

Canadas employers have far too many indulgences which affect wages and working conditions negatively with zero accountability. There is a surplus of personnel, but these employers know they’ll always be able to scrape by on low quality low wage workers where only the sycophantic desperate quislings survive.
They know the people are out there, and they know that because of the aviation sickness that mostly the neophytes are infected with (but not all), that they will almost always find personnel to work for 25% less than they’re willing to pay.
The fish rots from the head down, and there’s too much legislation needing change (that will never happen)for anything to correct the ailments in Canadas flying game.
Enforcement and consolidation of the rules we have is the only cure.

[Pratt X 3]

2 hour call-out charter management companies flying CARs maximum.

ABSOLUTELY, that goes without saying. Some are much worse than others unfortunately. Any company with 15-20 job postings at any one time for is a red flag imo

Flightexec has posted the same job ad 6 times in the last few months. Hmmm…

Maybe they would get better results if they didn't show their hand with statements like:
• Ability to work in a 24/7 operation and to be On-Call unless time off is booked in advance and approved