We_tu_lo wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 8:46 am
Buckle_Up wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 4:53 am
Of interest there was another termination hearing, outside of these 3, held earlier this summer. Another entitled little pr@ck whose scrawny @ss was saved by the VR LEC Chair you love to slam.
Hopefully 20 years down the road, when he grows up and is a Widebody Captain, he stops by the nursing home to thank him for saving his career.
Aviation 101, there are no secrets and everyone knows who you are.
Common denominator here largely points to Jazz hires. We certainly got some great guys and gals, but we did get some seriously defective ones who have returned from recall with an awful attitude.
I promise you if I was VP I would put a rapid end to the Jazz Flow Through, they can compete with all other applicants. Only benefactor here is Jazz, not AC.
The layoff was rough, four year flat pay is an embarrassment - everyone gets it - acting like spoiled brats isn't going to fix it.
As for your assertion that P4C will take over the association, good luck with that. Who is going to run for election after this mess. MEC Chairman is a great guy, smart and capable, but WAY over his head. There is a thousand times more Union experience in Flt Ops Management than the P4C group could ever muster.
The one guy you need heavily involved is D.M. in Vancouver and he has said he won't run for office.
Classic bootlicking boomer "got mine, frick you" talk. Enjoy the flavour of management soles while the rest of us fight for better work conditions. P4C has the backing of the most powerful pilot union in the world, numbnuts.
I think you are making an error if you believe what is happening within ACPA is generational. Yes it is true it is likely part of the issue but I don’t think it is the root of the problem.
It’s the people and they exist in every generation.
Some history.
Post bankruptcy, somewhere around 2007-08 a group of pilots decided it was better to work with the company. The idea was that if AC became profitable we would get to share in that profitability. Lol.
It was called the “new relationship”. Within that relationship we would strive to help the company make money. That was the goal.
ACPA became by in large full of Company minded elected reps. They in turn staffed committees with company minded pilots. If you didn’t work with the company as a committee member you were turfed. Staff was hired to be company minded. LRD instructed to be the same. All with idea that there would be a big pay off for us once the company was profitable.
We became a union without Unionists. We became an extension of management
We agreed to zero cost bargaining. So for the pilot group to get a raise we had to give. We gave pay cuts for Rouge. We gave the company pay cuts for FO’s and RP's. We gave up our pension for future hires. We gave the company cheap cheap new hires.
As you are probably aware a revolution started after TA1 but was quashed by the company with the help of government. We came out worse than if we had just accepted all those cuts. Proof positive to some that we must work with the company at all cost.
We were warned in 2014 during our governance review that our idea that AC profitability would lead to a better contract was folly.
Quote -Hoping that economic conditions improve with Air Canada so more can be demanded at the bargaining table is not a sound go forward strategy.
Nevertheless we went back to the old ways with the old group completely focused on company profitability.
10 year contract locking us in at post bankruptcy wages just prior to AC showing profitability. That wasn’t a coincidence. We were played.
But that didn’t stop the mindset. 10% cut for Cargo. Best fit reserve. ACPA having no issue with the company stripping pilots of CEWS. And the loss of years of service as a result. Why? We need to save the company. Company first pilots second.
Now walks in some people that clearly see the folly in all of this Company first, pilots second mindset.
They get fired upon from all sides. Company minded ACPA doesn’t want them around. Company minded pilots don’t want them around. The company doesn’t want them around. They get left to twist in the wind.
But remember company minded pilots come in every generation. You have them too.
The key now is to remove such people from union elected positions. In turn they will reverse what has been created.
They will appoint pilot minded committees. The company and the company minded ACPA reps will scream.
They will direct staff to be pilot minded. The company and the company minded ACPA reps will scream.
They will direct LRD to defend our CBA. Grievances will be filed. The company and the company minded ACPA reps will scream.
But all of this takes time and more importantly control.
People think differently. We all have biases. It’s human. The overly company minded come in all age groups. They belong in management, not a union. We will just have to drag them along kicking and screaming. I advise earplugs
