Absolutely.cdnavater wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 5:12 amYou have no fucking clue what the @#$! you are talking about, give me some examples of how the seniors improved their conditions at the expense of the junior members.canadian_aviator_4 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 2:24 am Would it make a difference if a lot of companies voted out their current mecs for more junior ones? The majority seem too close with management and in senior positions, where they are improving their own conditions at the expense of junior members. I see this with Jazz, where a disconnect exists between senior pilots and their awareness of how dire the financial situation of many junior members.
My pension hasn’t improved since 2010, my benefits are the same and the gd pay has gone up exactly 2% per year since 2010, top captain pay at the 17 year mark has only changed by 2% per year, so where exactly has my situation improved at your fucking expense, please enlighten me!
In fact, since 2010 including the 2010 contract, the only improvements went to the junior members with exception to the concessionary contract in 2015, which again our backs were up against a wall where two other companies were undercutting our wages to our detriment.
You have the ability to improve your conditions, I hear Flair is hiring, so is Porter but I suspect in the end you’re willing to whore yourself out to get to AC and complain about about how you’ve been fucked over by senior members. That won’t change when you get to AC.
By the way, I was somewhat new during the 2010 contract, I was still an FO for the 2015 contract and not by choice, not once did I ever think I was being sold out by the senior members who made this place the top paid Regional airline in North America, back then of course, that put a target on our back.
Also, the target was placed on our backs by the AC pilots, if you want to lay some blame on your current situation, start there.
Last thing, the union you speak of, turned down the companies request to throw some money at the training department, their response was everybody gets a raise or nobody, doesn’t sound like a union looking out for themselves but you do you!
Instead of fighting with each other, how about just look at the root cause of your grievances.
It was ACPA ( my Union ) amending the CPA language within our CBA. That was the catalyst that brought a gun to ALPA Jazz’s head in 2015.
We sold out Jazz’s leverage for some peanuts. In the end we hurt ourselves because it holds our bottom end wages down.
Why did we do this? ACPA believed it needed to help AC reduce costs at Jazz. The average AC pilot didn’t think this way. But ACPA leadership did.
ACPA has spent the last decade one downing themselves and everyone else. Being the only legacy this has produced a glass ceiling in Canada for everyone.
As everyone is aware we almost one downed again in the latest MOA. Sorry for that. It takes time and the battle for control of ACPA has been hostile particularly in the last year.
I’m particularly proud of the AC pilots standing up against what the outgoing MEC was trying to push through. The membership is onside for change.
Looking forward to a new approach in the new year.
This thread is titled When ALPA says “ where should we set the bar”
Up. Way up.
Let the one upping begin.
