Hello
I look for a good school to make my multi-ifr. I would like to know if somebody would have comments about juan air.
thank you
Juan air
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Juan Air. Learn from pilots who actually do the job on a daily basis, AND train with a company that hires their own grads. No brainer.
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threepoint
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Disagree. When learning IFR, it's the system you're learning. Both Juan Air and its competitor Pro IFR can and will teach you to be a solid instrument pilot if you're willing to learn. Whether you're in the system flying A-B in the charter world or A-A in the training world, you're still using the same skills and flying the same procedures, so neither necessarily makes a 'better' instructor. As with any flight school, do your research and find an instructor who works well with you.Airtids wrote:Juan Air. Learn from pilots who actually do the job on a daily basis, AND train with a company that hires their own grads. No brainer.
I have heard that Juan Air is a decent place to learn, and I know that Pro is. Each has a different method, but the end result is the same - a safe and effective pilot with knowledge to apply in the real world.
As far as the perceived advantage of a school hiring their own grads (so does Pro IFR by the way)...don't take these promises to mean anything, it's an age-old flight school carrot. There has to be a position available first, plus you'd be competing with dozens of other school grads with comparable experience for that seat. Getting a flying job anywhere is a weird blend of luck, skill & experience, attitude, connections and simply being in the right place at the right time.
Good luck with your training - CYYJ is an awesome airport at which to learn.
Threepoint, there are things that are done in the training world that are not done in the operational world, and there are things that are done in Ops that are generally not taught in training. If you have an instructor who has a strong operational background, and all other things being equal, you are a step ahead when it comes to flying operationally. I've gotta endorse the instructor with real-world experience. You're obviously new to this business to attempt to argue otherwise.
One of the biggest, most legit beefs about the training industry, is that the bulk of those doing the teaching have no practical background. Before you fly off the handle at that statement, understand that it is coming from a career instructor who has been fortunate enough to couple my love for educating with thousands of hours of operational flying of all kinds, VFR and IFR. For a basic PPL, the lack of real-world experience is not so much of an issue. As you move up the training ladder to higher level licenses and ratings though, the real-world experience DOES become a factor. There is a definite benefit to being taught to do a job by folks who do the job. Why do you think the College programs have such high requirements for their staff? Because they believe that to fly an A320, you should learn from someone who has actually flown an A320. I happen to agree. The need for that kind of knowledge at an entry level is another discussion. I'll agree with you that finding an instructor who meshes well with you is a far more important requirement than their operational background. More time and money has been wasted in an airplane because two people failed to 'click' than can be counted.
Juan Air NEVER dangles a carrot. Bruce has been in this business for a long time, and knows better than to make a promise he may not be able to keep. Any company would prefer to hire a known entity rather than a wild-card, even if that known entity is a bit more green. PRO hires their own as well, absolutely, but my point had more to do with sheer numbers: fewer grads from a small school like Juan, ergo better shot at those positions that do come up. Chance to fly 150s to 737
. I repeat, no brainer.
You're maybe a product of JM, possibly even an employee(?). Pro has a good program, no denying. I wasn't discounting PRO, merely pointing out some advantages of another location. Rather than contest my endorsement of what I know to be a great operation, have a crack at showing c140 WHY Pro is the way to go (hmmm, new slogan?).
The IFR rating is great training, regardless of where you go.
One of the biggest, most legit beefs about the training industry, is that the bulk of those doing the teaching have no practical background. Before you fly off the handle at that statement, understand that it is coming from a career instructor who has been fortunate enough to couple my love for educating with thousands of hours of operational flying of all kinds, VFR and IFR. For a basic PPL, the lack of real-world experience is not so much of an issue. As you move up the training ladder to higher level licenses and ratings though, the real-world experience DOES become a factor. There is a definite benefit to being taught to do a job by folks who do the job. Why do you think the College programs have such high requirements for their staff? Because they believe that to fly an A320, you should learn from someone who has actually flown an A320. I happen to agree. The need for that kind of knowledge at an entry level is another discussion. I'll agree with you that finding an instructor who meshes well with you is a far more important requirement than their operational background. More time and money has been wasted in an airplane because two people failed to 'click' than can be counted.
Juan Air NEVER dangles a carrot. Bruce has been in this business for a long time, and knows better than to make a promise he may not be able to keep. Any company would prefer to hire a known entity rather than a wild-card, even if that known entity is a bit more green. PRO hires their own as well, absolutely, but my point had more to do with sheer numbers: fewer grads from a small school like Juan, ergo better shot at those positions that do come up. Chance to fly 150s to 737
. I repeat, no brainer.You're maybe a product of JM, possibly even an employee(?). Pro has a good program, no denying. I wasn't discounting PRO, merely pointing out some advantages of another location. Rather than contest my endorsement of what I know to be a great operation, have a crack at showing c140 WHY Pro is the way to go (hmmm, new slogan?).
The IFR rating is great training, regardless of where you go.
Aviation- the hardest way possible to make an easy living!
"You can bomb the world to pieces, but you can't bomb it into peace!" Michael Franti- Spearhead
"Trust everyone, but cut the cards". My Grandma.
"You can bomb the world to pieces, but you can't bomb it into peace!" Michael Franti- Spearhead
"Trust everyone, but cut the cards". My Grandma.
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EatSleepFly
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I would highly suggest going to Juan Air if you have the chance. You learn from pilots who are not only career instructors but also work the line at the same time. I do not know about other people's opinion but when you have someone who actually uses what they teach it is much more credible than someone who has never actually applied IFR or multi outside the instruction world. I also dont know how much I would trust someone who has only instruction time to teach me ifr which is what will normally happen.
Anyway back to Juan Air. It is a good operation, the instructors are there because they want to teach you and not because they want the time. They are friendly and a good operation.
Anyway back to Juan Air. It is a good operation, the instructors are there because they want to teach you and not because they want the time. They are friendly and a good operation.
