A 10 year WJ FO just went to AC

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Re: A 10 year WJ FO just went to AC

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I think the bigger news is that the Encore MEC chair (with 6-7 years at the company), who took to flow to mainline Nov 1, is now a new hire at AC just a few days later. This in addition to the vice chair leaving the company earlier this year. Just shows that even those with the most inside info have zero confidence in the company for a long and prosperous career.
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Re: A 10 year WJ FO just went to AC

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FlyAlberta wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 9:28 pm I think the bigger news is that the Encore MEC chair (with 6-7 years at the company), who took to flow to mainline Nov 1, is now a new hire at AC just a few days later. This in addition to the vice chair leaving the company earlier this year. Just shows that even those with the most inside info have zero confidence in the company.
Mic drop on this forum as far as I’m concerned. The whole when the border opens south last out, shut the lights out thing, we all know that’s never going to happen and the Federal government will fight tooth and nail to make sure of that. With that said, last one at encore, take a huge steamer of an upper decker and then shut the lights off.
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Re: A 10 year WJ FO just went to AC

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Lol, well said.The government will do what they can to block any movement to the US.

American pilots are making DOUBLE of what we are making!

The airline industry changes every 10 years.

The regional model seems to be dying.

AC just bought another 15 A220s, in my opinion to cover regional flying with mainline pilots.

Do not count out the new ULCCs, there may be a few ugly mergers in the future.

No wonder nobody wants to be a pilot.
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FlyAlberta wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 9:28 pm I think the bigger news is that the Encore MEC chair (with 6-7 years at the company), who took to flow to mainline Nov 1, is now a new hire at AC just a few days later. This in addition to the vice chair leaving the company earlier this year. Just shows that even those with the most inside info have zero confidence in the company for a long and prosperous career.
While the Chair's departure definitely made an impact to some in Management, this Company does not care about any particular individual pilot leaving; they care if they can staff their flights. The departure of ~60+ pilots since August who started the year at Encore (i.e. current Encore pilots and pilots who recently flowed to WJ/Swoop but then left) makes more of an impact. When it comes to recruitment and retention, there has been very little proactive planning, any impetus to try and improve retention is only reactive (and so far, underwhelming).

For anyone considering their career options, maybe coming to/staying at WestJet/Encore/Swoop does make the most sense (it is not an awful job by any means). But don't stay/come because you hope or wish that wages/working conditions/schedule will improve. There are lots of options out there.
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I think they're sitting around being apathetic because they are banking on (or hoping) that they will soon have ~400 SW pilots.
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sstaurus wrote: Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:37 am I think they're sitting around being apathetic because they are banking on (or hoping) that they will soon have ~400 SW pilots.
Ironically, SWG management seems apathetic probably for the same reasons :bear:

Truly a match made in heaven...
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sstaurus wrote: Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:37 am I think they're sitting around being apathetic because they are banking on (or hoping) that they will soon have ~400 SW pilots.
Sunwing is also understaffed, it has its own airplanes and routes. These aren't 400 pilots sitting around looking for work. The fact that both management teams are indifferent to the attrition and terrible morale, makes you wonder what's really going on over there.
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What’s going on is figuring out how to consolidate routes. All those 400 sunwing pilots won’t be needed. This is probably working out as best case for WestJet management. They don’t have to lay anyone off from encore because they are leaving on their own. When/if the merger goes through there will be no additional training needed for the pilots.
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SWG is only really under staffed for 4-5 months per year.
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daedalusx wrote: Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:28 am SWG is only really under staffed for 4-5 months per year.
Yeah, but they need all those pilots for the 4-5 months when they are very busy. This year they may not have enough pilots. Don't kid yourself, the Sunwing Travel Group makes substantial profits on those few months. The challenge has been how to balance things year round.
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daedalusx wrote: Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:28 am SWG is only really under staffed for 4-5 months per year.
That explains the 200 hour cadets they hired this year, the TFW Captains getting paid higher than Canadians, and the 40 FOs bypassed for upgrade.
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co-joe wrote: Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:29 pm
daedalusx wrote: Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:28 am SWG is only really under staffed for 4-5 months per year.
That explains the 200 hour cadets they hired this year, the TFW Captains getting paid higher than Canadians, and the 40 FOs bypassed for upgrade.
They've been hiring 200 hour cadets for years. Don't get me wrong, these are wonderful people that were hired and they work hard for the opportunity that they were afforded, but to say that there is a shortage of pilots because they won't pay what pilots are worth is a sad excuse for an excuse.
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Canadaflyer46 wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 1:22 pm The company feels like it’s imploding right now, and there’s crickets from management. According to ALPA we lost 31 pilots last month. Yet they think they’re going to be able to hire 400 next year? I’d love to know where they plan on finding them. For sure they’ll have to drop below their 1500 hour rule like Encore is. They’ve had so many chances to turn this around, but they seem hell bent on self-destructing. It’s actually really sad to watch. :cry:
So create a cadet program. Hire foreign students and sponsor them afterwards for Canadian citizenship.

Also, how deep in the red are they? How much are the losses pegged at? Did they do well on ANY international routes?
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Re: A 10 year WJ FO just went to AC

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daedalusx wrote: Mon Nov 14, 2022 12:20 pm
sstaurus wrote: Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:37 am I think they're sitting around being apathetic because they are banking on (or hoping) that they will soon have ~400 SW pilots.
Ironically, SWG management seems apathetic probably for the same reasons :bear:

Truly a match made in heaven...
There wont be two of each management positions…most will return to the line or compete for new photo ops.
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alkaseltzer wrote: Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:10 pm So create a cadet program. Hire foreign students and sponsor them afterwards for Canadian citizenship.

Also, how deep in the red are they? How much are the losses pegged at? Did they do well on ANY international routes?
Would it not make far more sense to give citizens of the country who already live here the first and primary opportunity to enroll in a cadet program before one starts importing foreign students to fill those rolls?

Being a private company, rather than a public company, the books and reporting are closed.... no one outside the executives know whether they have made money, lost money, or something in between. By the power of accounting, 2+2=3 right about now... with money traveling more than your average flight crew to hide it, redistribute it and take advantage of tax sheltering.
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Re: A 10 year WJ FO just went to AC

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Encore just canceled my flight due to no pilots,so the lady told me F&$k you WJ your product sucks.
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