New pay scales
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Re: New pay scales
WJA's pay rates plus 2.5% according to Pilot Career Center.
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I haven’t seen anything official but this was posted in one of the flair threads.
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Jesus Christ!!! How can a human being fly a 737 for $99 000 and look at themselves in the mirror?
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> 3 years. Probably > 10-15 years if WJ merge the list by DOH
In twenty years time when your kids ask how you got into flying you want to be able to say "work and determination" not "I just kept taking money from your grandparents for type ratings until someone was stupid enough to give me a job"
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Anyway you slice it, that entire pay summary defines the embarrassing state of affairs of the airline piloting profession in Canada.
We only have ourselves to blame.
We only have ourselves to blame.
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These are only garunteed minimums, I'm sure you can make more than that if you pick up some overtime to make a few more bucks
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You could say the same thing about Jazz ... Just because you can work 120 hours per month and keep up with inflation doesn’t mean it’s a historical pay scale.Aspiredtofly wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 6:54 pm These are only garunteed minimums, I'm sure you can make more than that if you pick up some overtime to make a few more bucks
In twenty years time when your kids ask how you got into flying you want to be able to say "work and determination" not "I just kept taking money from your grandparents for type ratings until someone was stupid enough to give me a job"
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I hope this was intended as sarcasm. Or else it’s the most depressing comment I’ve read in a long time.Aspiredtofly wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 6:54 pm These are only garunteed minimums, I'm sure you can make more than that if you pick up some overtime to make a few more bucks
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Take that in both ways I guess . We need help though, I first want to see that new flair pay scale being turned down by majority of pilots working there. We must condemn ourselves for accepting lower standards, if the majority does not reject the offer.Canadaflyer46 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 11:01 pmI hope this was intended as sarcasm. Or else it’s the most depressing comment I’ve read in a long time.Aspiredtofly wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 6:54 pm These are only garunteed minimums, I'm sure you can make more than that if you pick up some overtime to make a few more bucks
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Is Westjet buying Sunwing still or whatever happened with that? I remember Transat pilots getting a big raise when they thought there was going to be a pilot merger with Air Canada.
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It's interesting to see for which pilot group they can still enlarge the hiring pool (lower experience requirements) and for which they can't...
As an AvCanada discussion grows longer:
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-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
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I'll take it one way. The alternative shouldn't be oh well....there will lots of opportunities to work your bag off and make OT . This comment is exactly the reason our industry is in the state it is in Canada. It's this mentality that needs to be abolished.Aspiredtofly wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 5:24 amTake that in both ways I guess . We need help though, I first want to see that new flair pay scale being turned down by majority of pilots working there. We must condemn ourselves for accepting lower standards, if the majority does not reject the offer.Canadaflyer46 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 11:01 pmI hope this was intended as sarcasm. Or else it’s the most depressing comment I’ve read in a long time.Aspiredtofly wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 6:54 pm These are only garunteed minimums, I'm sure you can make more than that if you pick up some overtime to make a few more bucks
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Pay is big but what about other details in the contract? Reserve rules, min contracted rest, per diems etc?
Hypothetically (and I'd bet this isn't the case) if there was zero per diems then you'd be losing money by comparison to others in the industry. Need to see the big picture.
Hypothetically (and I'd bet this isn't the case) if there was zero per diems then you'd be losing money by comparison to others in the industry. Need to see the big picture.
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This is a mid-contract LOU that is being voted on to raise the wages. The details you mention remain the same as per the current contract, which you can get here:Instructor_Mike wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 8:21 pm Pay is big but what about other details in the contract? Reserve rules, min contracted rest, per diems etc?
Hypothetically (and I'd bet this isn't the case) if there was zero per diems then you'd be losing money by comparison to others in the industry. Need to see the big picture.
http://safeflights.ca/uploads/Labour_Ag ... _FINAL.pdf
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There’s guys at Jazz that make well over 200k a year but they’re usually the ones that look like a walking dead extra, are divorced or hate their wives and have no life outside of work and enjoy working 24 days a month.daedalusx wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 7:35 pmYou could say the same thing about Jazz ... Just because you can work 120 hours per month and keep up with inflation doesn’t mean it’s a historical pay scale.Aspiredtofly wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 6:54 pm These are only garunteed minimums, I'm sure you can make more than that if you pick up some overtime to make a few more bucks
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I know. There was a jazzie bscaler first year capt that was bragging that he broke 100K on his first year left seat. He would pick up straight time on flica and work out of base and even pay for his hotels. He was working 24-25 days a month and his performance was shit because he was always tired.Inverted2 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 9:53 pmThere’s guys at Jazz that make well over 200k a year but they’re usually the ones that look like a walking dead extra, are divorced or hate their wives and have no life outside of work and enjoy working 24 days a month.daedalusx wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 7:35 pmYou could say the same thing about Jazz ... Just because you can work 120 hours per month and keep up with inflation doesn’t mean it’s a historical pay scale.Aspiredtofly wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 6:54 pm These are only garunteed minimums, I'm sure you can make more than that if you pick up some overtime to make a few more bucks
For reasons totally unrelated, he was single.
Wonder if it’s the same dude although I doubt that a bscaler would ever be able to break 200k with the new duty regs.
In twenty years time when your kids ask how you got into flying you want to be able to say "work and determination" not "I just kept taking money from your grandparents for type ratings until someone was stupid enough to give me a job"