Old Collective Agreements

[Bede]

I'm wondering if anyone has any leads on old AC, Canadian, CP, etc collective agreements. If you are willing to share or know where I can get them, I'd appreciate a PM and I'll share my email address.

I need them for union research.

[NotDirty!]

I found ones dating back to the early 90s on the negotech website… I don’t know about older than that, although I am sure there are people who have them stashed away somewhere!

[Dronepiper]

This is Air Canada Pay Rates in 2003 compared to what they would be today if their wages kept up with inflation. This is eye opening. It hasn’t always been so bad in Canada. I hope we can get back to these scales one day.

[twa22]

This is Air Canada Pay Rates in 2003 compared to what they would be today if their wages kept up with inflation. This is eye opening. It hasn’t always been so bad in Canada. I hope we can get back to these scales one day.

To those saying "we can't compare ourselves to the American market"

Well, some of those 2003 numbers, NOT adjusted for inflation, are the same, if not better (Early YR FO rates) then today's AC rates

Everyone knows it's bad, but after seeing these numbers, this is beyond eye opening...

[swervin]

I'll see if I can dig up my old AO collective agreement. In 2000, 7th year Captain pay for the Dash 8-300 was $99.00 an hour. Indexed for inflation that's $157.00. I believe F/O pay was $42,000 a year for first year. Indexed that's $67,000.

[dumpsterfire]

The good news is the defenders of ACPA are essentially non existent now

The Dumpster Fire is finally smoldering

[Raymond Hall]

I kept the collective agreements for all the major Canadian carriers circa 2002. I put them in storage, with my closed files in YWG sometime around 2005. Not sure if I still have them stored, as I did purge a lot of those files after seven years. I will be back in WG next week and will advise.

[Bede]

I kept the collective agreements for all the major Canadian carriers circa 2002. I put them in storage, with my closed files in YWG sometime around 2005. Not sure if I still have them stored, as I did purge a lot of those files after seven years. I will be back in WG next week and will advise.

Thanks Ray. That would be of great help.

[Bede]

This is Air Canada Pay Rates in 2003 compared to what they would be today if their wages kept up with inflation. This is eye opening. It hasn’t always been so bad in Canada. I hope we can get back to these scales one day.

Thanks. That's essentially what I'm doing but I'd like to go back longer and a bit more extensive (vacation, pension, etc)

It blows my mind how much we've lost over the years.

[Dronepiper]

Here is the new payscale for Delta Airlines

[teacher]

Here is the new payscale for Delta Airlines

I just pooped a little and threw up at the same time.

[GIVCE!]

AND…. Just read that the most junior upgrade seniority was at 4.5 months for the 757/767 on their last bid…
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[co-joe]

What I find so different about the Delta pay scale is how flat they are from year 1-12. Only $20-30/h from year 1 to year 12. There is a lot of pressure to change types to move up significantly. You must do 10 new type courses in a full career there, close to 2 years spent on course. Nice numbers though.

[Yieldermatik]

What I find so different about the Delta pay scale is how flat they are from year 1-12. Only $20-30/h from year 1 to year 12. There is a lot of pressure to change types to move up significantly. You must do 10 new type courses in a full career there, close to 2 years spent on course. Nice numbers though.

The way I see it is when you start up ahead, you don’t really have to play a lot of catch up.