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Morningstar 757 schedule/flying
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2023 8:08 am
by Blueontop
Looking for information on the 757 gig, what are the routes that are typical, day/night flying, what are the hours of the night flying, what a typical week/month looks like, remuneration/OT availability, what does a layover look like (if any), upgrade time, bond?
TIA for dealing with all the questions, couldn’t find anything on the Morningstar forum
Re: Morningstar 757 schedule/flying
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2023 5:14 pm
by Spotify
Same very much interested. I get the feeling lots of guys are using this as a steppingstone to get into Air Canada.
Re: Morningstar 757 schedule/flying
Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2023 7:42 am
by HayNah757
So right now on the FO side things are busy. Very busy. We have a bunch of new hires and once they're on line that should really help.
Schedule is difficult. Typically arrive at the office around 11pm-1am. Flight leaves 90 minutes later. Fly to the west or east cost. Arrive 3am-5am local time. Sleep for the day. Flight back to Toronto around 7-9pm local. Arrive back in Toronto around 1am-3am.
When we are properly staffed you can usually count on one trip per week. So leave Tuesday. Back Thursday morning. That's your week. Weekends off.
As of right now most of our pairings are two days. Leave Monday night, back Wednesday morning as an example. We don't typically fly on weekends or holidays which is nice.
With that said though we do have weekend trips. The weekend trips can be long but they're super easy. We do weekends in Vancouver, Calgary, and Montreal. Typically you'll fly out on the Thursday night. Get to YVR/YYC/YMX early in the morning and then you don't fly out again until Monday night. On the YMX weekend we hop over to Halifax on the Sunday night.
Now the nice part is that you're completely free when you're on your weekends. You're not on call. Guys go skiing, hiking, road trips, etc. Our Montreal weekend hotel is downtown across the street from the Bell Centre. Last time I did a Montreal weekend the girlfriend came down on the train and we spent the weekend together in Montreal. Not a bad gig.
You can typically expect to do a weekend trip once every 2-3 months.
Re: Morningstar 757 schedule/flying
Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2023 5:04 pm
by Blueontop
HayNah757 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 7:42 am
So right now on the FO side things are busy. Very busy. We have a bunch of new hires and once they're on line that should really help.
Schedule is difficult. Typically arrive at the office around 11pm-1am. Flight leaves 90 minutes later. Fly to the west or east cost. Arrive 3am-5am local time. Sleep for the day. Flight back to Toronto around 7-9pm local. Arrive back in Toronto around 1am-3am.
When we are properly staffed you can usually count on one trip per week. So leave Tuesday. Back Thursday morning. That's your week. Weekends off.
As of right now most of our pairings are two days. Leave Monday night, back Wednesday morning as an example. We don't typically fly on weekends or holidays which is nice.
With that said though we do have weekend trips. The weekend trips can be long but they're super easy. We do weekends in Vancouver, Calgary, and Montreal. Typically you'll fly out on the Thursday night. Get to YVR/YYC/YMX early in the morning and then you don't fly out again until Monday night. On the YMX weekend we hop over to Halifax on the Sunday night.
Now the nice part is that you're completely free when you're on your weekends. You're not on call. Guys go skiing, hiking, road trips, etc. Our Montreal weekend hotel is downtown across the street from the Bell Centre. Last time I did a Montreal weekend the girlfriend came down on the train and we spent the weekend together in Montreal. Not a bad gig.
You can typically expect to do a weekend trip once every 2-3 months.
Thanks for the detailed info!
How long is the bond and how much? Pro-rated?
Re: Morningstar 757 schedule/flying
Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2023 7:22 pm
by Bede
That sounds like a really good job. I do t know why anyone would leave that.
Re: Morningstar 757 schedule/flying
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:43 am
by thepoors
HayNah757 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 7:42 am
When we are properly staffed you can usually count on one trip per week. So leave Tuesday. Back Thursday morning. That's your week. Weekends off.
What is it like when you're not properly staffed? Is more even possible with the updated duty regs? I don't know how you could do this more than once a week and not be a fatigue zombie - weekends off or not.
Re: Morningstar 757 schedule/flying
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 11:24 am
by Morningstar_Reality
Bede wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 7:22 pm
That sounds like a really good job. I do t know why anyone would leave that.
There you have it. The fact that the company is constantly having to hire without expanding or retirements tells you that plenty are indeed leaving for a reason.
Re: Morningstar 757 schedule/flying
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 11:29 am
by Morningstar_Reality
thepoors wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:43 am
HayNah757 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 7:42 am
When we are properly staffed you can usually count on one trip per week. So leave Tuesday. Back Thursday morning. That's your week. Weekends off.
What is it like when you're not properly staffed? Is more even possible with the updated duty regs? I don't know how you could do this more than once a week and not be a fatigue zombie - weekends off or not.
It can get much worse than that when not properly staffed, which we aren't at the moment and hasn't been for years. Years ago we even had to grieve the staffing situation due to how skinny the company was running us. We're talking scheduled over 100 credits per month. Things are not that bad now, but not exactly great.
Yes, you will be a fatigue zombie even with a somewhat normal schedule. But that is more to do with the nature of the business. Night cargo is taxing on the body and there is really no way around it. Fedex and UPS make up for it with spectacular pay and benefits. That's not how we do it up in Canada, eh?
Re: Morningstar 757 schedule/flying
Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2023 10:12 pm
by Shre97
Hey Guys,
I work as a flight instructor now. Is it possible to get in to any company, on any of the Boeing family A/C with 750TT with MULTI IFR and IATRA, with 50Hr multi time and no turbine hours? I don't mind working long hours and weird schedule.
Thank you
Re: Morningstar 757 schedule/flying
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 2:21 pm
by Invertago
You'll need 1500TT just to get on the 208 at morningstar then do that for a few years to jump over to the 757. So... direct heavy jet with 750TT... not in Canada that I'm aware of.
Re: Morningstar 757 schedule/flying
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:58 pm
by khedrei
What about 2300 tt without turbine time?
Info from morningstar employees is appreciated.
Re: Morningstar 757 schedule/flying
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:46 pm
by Invertago
khedrei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:58 pm
What about 2300 tt without turbine time?
Info from morningstar employees is appreciated.
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I doubt it, but to try only costs a resume. Apply for the jobs you want not the jobs you think you can get.
Re: Morningstar 757 schedule/flying
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 11:40 pm
by Shre97
Thanks Invertago. Appreciate it.
Re: Morningstar 757 schedule/flying
Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2023 11:12 pm
by Duukar
khedrei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:58 pm
What about 2300 tt without turbine time?
Info from morningstar employees is appreciated.
Going from piston poppers to B757 is a big jump. You get about 80 hours in the sim, but a lot of that time will be wasted on learning how to fly fast and high and then slow down for approaches. Then you have the added stress and difficulty of learning to use automation properly and run the FMS. If you haven't ever spent any time in a simulator that's another challenge. They break a lot of stuff and set you on fire, often!
They may hire you, but I would be cautious about accepting the position unless you are VERY confident in your IFR and situational awareness. You'll need at least those two things locked down to succeed.
I would recommend getting on at a regional turbo prop operator or a more advanced medevac platform(Carson or Ornge come to mind) for a minimum of 1 year before trying to jump to jets.
Just my two cents! Like I said, I wouldn't be surprised if they hired you.
Good luck!
Re: Morningstar 757 schedule/flying
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 12:18 am
by nohojob
80 hours of sim ?
That's a lot of sim !
Re: Morningstar 757 schedule/flying
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 12:12 pm
by Chaxterium
nohojob wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 12:18 am
80 hours of sim ?
That's a lot of sim !
It's overkill. We do 10 Procedures training events which are 4 hours each. This is done in the FTD which is almost identical to the sim but no visuals and no motion.
After that we do 10 sessions in the sim. It might even be more like 12. I can't quite remember.
So yeah if you add the procedures training time to the sim time you're looking at 80 hours. By the end of it you want to blow your brains out. There's a VFR day, and a HUD and EFVS day. Those are pretty interesting but aside from that it's the usual engine fire, single engine approach, hydraulic failure, non-precision, rinse and repeat.
The trainers are excellent. You will be very well prepared. It's just overkill.
Re: Morningstar 757 schedule/flying
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 2:26 pm
by nohojob
Ok, that's make more sense this way. I was thinking of 20 session in a sim ! After 10 sessions you're already in a Zombie state !
Re: Morningstar 757 schedule/flying
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 2:45 pm
by flyinhigh
Other than the one late night departure, this sounds like a great gig for someone to have.
Re: Morningstar 757 schedule/flying
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 4:07 pm
by khedrei
Duukar wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 11:12 pm
khedrei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:58 pm
What about 2300 tt without turbine time?
Info from morningstar employees is appreciated.
Going from piston poppers to B757 is a big jump. You get about 80 hours in the sim, but a lot of that time will be wasted on learning how to fly fast and high and then slow down for approaches. Then you have the added stress and difficulty of learning to use automation properly and run the FMS. If you haven't ever spent any time in a simulator that's another challenge. They break a lot of stuff and set you on fire, often!
They may hire you, but I would be cautious about accepting the position unless you are VERY confident in your IFR and situational awareness. You'll need at least those two things locked down to succeed.
I would recommend getting on at a regional turbo prop operator or a more advanced medevac platform(Carson or Ornge come to mind) for a minimum of 1 year before trying to jump to jets.
Just my two cents! Like I said, I wouldn't be surprised if they hired you.
Good luck!
Thanks for the insight. I know its a big jump.
I'm more than happy to work a regional or medevac but not for what they are currently paying. Ill keep working on building the training business before I accept barely min wage to drive into the city and pay parking.
My IFR and situational awareness is well above average for my TT and I'm very comfortable with various FMS and glass panel systems. Just have to get used to theirs. So that part id be more confident in. The rest of it would be a big jump. I also worked in multi crew environment hauling 40 million lbs of freight at a time for many years in my previous career so I have a good appreciation for SOPs.
I sent one in. We will see. That was a couple weeks back nothing yet.
Thanks again.
Re: Morningstar 757 schedule/flying
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 4:36 pm
by Chaxterium
Ah you'd be fine. A number of the FOs that were hired in the last 18 months or so had no multi-time at all and they did just fine. They did have some turbine time though so that might be the hard part for you.
I'm sure you'd adapt easily enough but I'm not sure if they'd take someone on with no turbine time. But who knows. Worst that can happen is they don't call you.
Re: Morningstar 757 schedule/flying
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 6:16 pm
by khedrei
Chaxterium wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 4:36 pm
Ah you'd be fine. A number of the FOs that were hired in the last 18 months or so had no multi-time at all and they did just fine. They did have some turbine time though so that might be the hard part for you.
I'm sure you'd adapt easily enough but I'm not sure if they'd take someone on with no turbine time. But who knows. Worst that can happen is they don't call you.
Thanks. Thats what i figured. I've got an application in so if you want to put a bug in the ear of the CP... im looking for a place to retire.
Re: Morningstar 757 schedule/flying
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 11:24 pm
by schnitzel2k3
Probably not the place to retire...
Re: Morningstar 757 schedule/flying
Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 8:27 am
by YC87DRVR
schnitzel2k3 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 11:24 pm
Probably not the place to retire...
Agreed! Understandable for a young fella to think that though. I thought that at least 2-3 times before I got to the place I’m going to retire at.
Re: Morningstar 757 schedule/flying
Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 7:30 pm
by schnitzel2k3
YC87DRVR wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 8:27 am
schnitzel2k3 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 11:24 pm
Probably not the place to retire...
Agreed! Understandable for a young fella to think that though. I thought that at least 2-3 times before I got to the place I’m going to retire at.
That's fair. I did my time at Morningstar and I think for your typical Canadian airline pilot, it's probably not the place most fellas would hang their hat.
Re: Morningstar 757 schedule/flying
Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 9:12 pm
by Invertago
Why not retire at Morningstar, seems to be steady secure boring flying, kinda the thing someone wants when all settled down. I get it night ops are not for everyone but most pilot jobs involve odd hours anyhow.