flap30 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 10:30 pm
cdnavater wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 8:22 am
flap30 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 8:27 pm
So.....the top end of your current pay scale tops out at 250,000? Did I hear that correctly ?What was your starting salary? I'm curious? S Also how long did it take you to get to your salary of less than 215,000? If we go back five years ago and applied 215,000 thats worth about 256,000 today. There are many guys in corporate aviation making that but maybe not first year. I am referring to straight salary without bonus of course.
Airliners pay 150,000 to start. Not the strongest considering they work three times as much as a corporate pilot. 300 hours per year is considered busy for a corporate gig if we are comparing the two. But regardless salary is salary and thats what the bank cares about. Not how many hours we fly. The family cares about the hours.
I'm on team pilot side. I think we all deserve the US wages, however, come to your senses and drop the whole comparison because its not coming to a theater near you. I mean you are totally capable of working in the USA, however, thats your own choice. You can bitch or do something about it. I completed my ATP-CTP course which costs about 10,000....I completed the paper work for my EB2 work visa which cost me about 12,000. It wont be long until this process is done and voila I can make those wages. Bitching about US salaries doesn't get you closer towards making those wages.
Lastly, 215,000 is the salary......with the bonus it exceeds your top end salary,,,,,first year. Just an FYI.
I’m sorry but to say corporate pilots work less is a bit misleading, to say the least.
Would an airline pilot on reserve works less, I would argue they work more even if they don’t work. They are available for work 18-19 days per month. When you have to be available to report to work you are working, if you can’t crack a beer when a friend drops in for a visit, you are working.
The average corporate pilot is “on call” more than the average airline pilot would be on reserve, from my experience, they only have a few days per month that are completely free from duty.
Now, if as a corporate pilot, you take your client somewhere and spend a few days waiting for them to be ready to return, you are at their beck and call, you are working!
As for salary, I agree it should be higher, there is certainly a lot of risks to a corporate pilot position, they could shutter it without warning and you will be starting over somewhere else.
Beck and call? Really? If you work for an individual or an airline we are at the mercy of the same dollar bill. Never knew I was more of a bitch because I work for a family as suppose to an airline. We are all someones bitch pal. You can accept it or not.
There has been a schedule change for me, which leads me to say today is day 24 of which I have not worked. Today I met with a Westjet Pilot for lunch, Had beer and wings. Last night it was bottle of red with the family at the Keg. The night before it was an Irish bar to meet another Pilot pal. But like you said I'm on call. Sure. Another 15 more days until my next flight. That's 39 straight days off. Like my Westjet friend said to me today, If I mentioned "I work harder than him that would be insult". Sure I must be available. Life is pretty sweet " being available". I take a client somewhere and my airline pals take a boat load of people. There's not much of a difference besides the cash bonus at the end of the year. Also, not sure about you, on my down time I don't plan trips to greece because of the phone ringing. I do what normal couples do as if they worked Monday to Friday. If I need a trip to Greece I will take a vacation just like any other family. I have been pulled off from the golf course once. WOW. Life is over eh?
The risk of corporate aviation is high but so is investing into a relationship. If your boss sells the airplane you get on the horse and find another job. If your women breaks up with you, you get on the horse and find another women. Such is life. I lost my job twice because of Aircrafts vanishing. Never had a problem finding a job.
Sorry man but your comment about beck and call makes it sound like hell. There's pilots out with a clean zero'd out mortgages because their boss decided to be extra generous. Take this message the way you want. Just trying to shine some light from a different perspective.
Jebus, settle down, it sounds like you are happy with your chosen path and I doubt all corporate jobs are as liberal as yours.
As I said my experience was with a company that offered me 27 days per month of on call life and being on call for medevacs in a past job. My experience with being on call was very disruptive, I remember dozens of times where I sat down in a restaurant and ordered food only to be called out before it arrived.
Can you commute for your job?
How much time are you given for notice? You mentioned Monday-Friday workers booking holidays, does that mean your employer never needs you on weekends?
Me personally, after starting over a couple time, I wanted something more stable but you seem to have taken my comments personally and you may have the holy grail of corporate jobs.
You mentioned your schedule changing, once my schedule is published, it’s final and can’t change, therefore I can make plans. I’m not talking about trips to Greece, I’m just talking about saying I’ll be there for a birthday and actually knowing I will be.
This thread started about a job offering 215,000/yr salary, I’m not sure that would be enough to entice me to the corporate side but to each there own.