bumping first class passengers for deadhead crew

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Regardless of the (lack of) tact, she does have a point that the optics are terrible if you bump a paying passenger from a flight in order to accommodate an employee. There might be a vital reason why that employee is put on the plane, but that's not the paying passenger's problem. The optics are still not good if that's what happened.

Well that’s the company’s issue to solve not the individual pilot.

Also true. I'm not blaming the pilot.

[Transition9er2]

First of all, you were not booked in First Class. Air Canada hasn’t sold a First Class ticket in over 25 years. As well noted above, Captains, First Officers and Augment First Officers are contractually given a Business Class seat when DeadHeading. RPs in Economy, pending space in Business or Premium Economy upon departure.

Pairings are built 4 to 10 weeks in advance. If a pairing includes a DeadHead the seat is removed from inventory at that time. Never in my 30 odd years of overseeing Pairing Generation have I ever encountered an occasion where that far in advance, Business Class was full.

Understand, there are two levels of Business fares. The lower level is sometimes booked, but the higher flexible fare is always open that far in advance.

Air Canada never overbooks Business Class or Premium Economy. The only time there may be more J passengers than seats, is due to an equipment change. (The 28 seat J cabin substituting for 40 seat J cabin on the 777, or a 20 seat 787-8 for a 30 seat 787-9). However it is extremely unlikely that the DeadHeading pilots weren’t among the first booked.

The only occasion, therefore where a pilot may “bump” a J passenger is a last minute pairing change due to an irrop. Crew Scheduling though, will do everything in their power to not let that happen. Offering a cash payment to sit in Y or go the next day, supplying hotels and meals. But, bottom line is that on a flight of over 4 hours, like yours from the Caribbean, that pilot is entitled to that seat.

As noted on another thread, apparently we are the “lowest paid pilots on the earth”, we are not giving up another contractually granted “payment”.

I love all these assumptions yeah, maybe it wasn't a first class ticket sold but it was definitely a business class ticket
That's OK keep speculating, digging your own graves.
You look like a bunch of pathetic whiny, fucking bitches

BAAAHAHAHAHA

Wow, you’re amazing! Hahahaaha

With comments like yours, I think the only one that looks like a “pathetic whiny, fucking bitch” is you my dear!

Given your attitude and lack of professionalism, it sounds like you deserved to be dumped. Sometimes you don’t get everything you want. It’s called life.

[Transition9er2]

good one if I wanted my come back id t wipe it off your mom’s face

Just read this entire thread and my goodness maybe it’s time you put the phone down and walk away for a bit!

Not one person has responded to you in a similar way that you’re responding to the group. Yet you’re calling most ppl here quite aggressive names and making some wild accusations.

You’re making yourself look foolish by coming here with this attitude. Claiming to be a captain only adds to the craziness.

More often than not, this forum can provide reliable information. Your anger is misguided and you’ve handled yourself no different than a pissed off, immature teenager.

Good luck with your conquest. Looks like you’ll need it.

[skyhighh]

A true professional will allow the passenger to hold his J class sheet and take hie seat in the back you guys fly all the time a paying pastor who reserved J in advance is may be traveling to three times a year max and does it for the experience and you’re mocking that person you guys really are shameful on it allowed that passenger to stay in J class and you go sit in the back

So if pilots start doing that, the company will keep booking passengers instead of us and pilots will be expected to let their J to passengers again and again. It’s a benefit that was negotiated but also is very important to the pilot group as AC pilots deadhead a lot and not only for some small YUL-YYZ flights but oceanic too. It is not the responsibility of the pilot to fix the constant mistakes of the company. If you start helping, when does it end and how can we be taken seriously if we are unwilling to follow the contract negotiated by our own union?
If you take business and are bumped because of the crew, your beef is with the company, they oversold your ticket and it’s your right to complain and know the Air Passenger protection regulation. https://otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/air-passenger ... egulations .
WestJet pilots went above and beyond for over 2 decades and look where they are now…

[fish4life]

A true professional will allow the passenger to hold his J class sheet and take hie seat in the back you guys fly all the time a paying pastor who reserved J in advance is may be traveling to three times a year max and does it for the experience and you’re mocking that person you guys really are shameful on it allowed that passenger to stay in J class and you go sit in the back

If you travel 3 times a year you are pretty low status and that’s why you would have been bumped first.

[Crewbunk]

I’m trying to imagine what the OP considers “bumping”. If what is meant, is an actual pilot, in uniform, being escorted by an agent to the J cabin and removing a passenger and placing the pilot there instead, then yes, the optics are bad. Everyone knows they are bad and it’s why there are many many methods of exactly that not happening.

Because the optics are horrendous, I’m going to guess it happens no more than a couple times a year, if that. I’ve certainly never seen it.

Or, to you, is “bumping” simply asking at the gate to be upgraded, using FF status, miles, or a credit card and being denied, as J was full. Only to see upon boarding a pilot sitting there. That’s not being bumped, that’s just being entitled.

Odds are, that pilot’s PNR was made months in advance. Also, for the record, it’s not “free”. The cost of that J seat is paid out of the Flight Operations budget and is accounted.

Again I’m curious. And I ask again for dates and flight numbers. I can check to see exactly what happened.

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A true professional will allow the passenger to hold his J class sheet and take hie seat in the back you guys fly all the time a paying pastor who reserved J in advance is may be traveling to three times a year max and does it for the experience and you’re mocking that person you guys really are shameful on it allowed that passenger to stay in J class and you go sit in the back

If you travel 3 times a year you are pretty low status and that’s why you would have been bumped first.

It does explain why so many pastors own private jets https://aerocorner.com/blog/american-pa ... vate-jets/

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[FL030]

Captain of the drink trolley maybe. A 65 year old service director from Calgary with a mouth like a sailor chuffed that new hire FO's get B1s.

[RippleRock]

This Ifly chick is clearly an angry FA whose lack of any "professional or licensed" designation, is making her bitter.

Sorry, your days of linking contract gains to "licensed" employee groups like pilots, dispatchers and AME's are ending. Don't take your resentment out on us. Go get a professional designation, a license, or perhaps more education of any sort. Then come back.

Right now you're just an uneducated, unaccredited, unlicensed ---self-entitled TROLL--- and no one thinks otherwise.

[Curiousflyer]

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A true professional will allow the passenger to hold his J class sheet and take hie seat in the back you guys fly all the time a paying pastor who reserved J in advance is may be traveling to three times a year max and does it for the experience and you’re mocking that person you guys really are shameful on it allowed that passenger to stay in J class and you go sit in the back
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Your scenario played out something like this from the pilots perspective.
1 - Pilot checks work schedule 48 hours before departure of the deadhead and discovers no booking has been made.
2 - Pilot calls in to inform Air Canada that no booking was made for their deadhead.
3 - Pilot tries to check in for the deadhead 24 hours before departure, but discovers there is still no booking made and once again calls Air Canada to make a booking
4 - Pilot tries to check in again just before driving to the airport and discovers the booking was not made appropriately and there is no business class seat available, even though their compensation entitles them to a business class seat. Would you work for free?
5- Pilot calls Air Canada again to inform them that the booking still wasn’t made appropriately and is told the booking will be sorted out at the gate.
6- Pilot arrives at gate and once boarding begins is told they cannot be accommodated in business class. Pilot calls Air Canada once again and says, “This business class seat is part of my compensation package, I’ve informed you of the problem multiple times now and you still haven’t fixed the problem. I won’t be boarding this plane if it isn’t in line with my compensation package, I don’t work for free.”
7 - Passenger is bumped to make room for pilot. No one is happy.

So I ask you, who’s at fault? No pilot is happy to bump a paying passenger, but should you work for free? Should any employee work for free or lower compensation? After all, if all employees took a massive compensation cut, it’d be better for passengers right?

A true professional values their worth and tries to solve issues ahead of time. There is zero chance that this wasn’t attempted by the pilot to be rectified days in advance.

[Cavalier44]

Don't waste your time or energy feeding the trolls. You don't have to justify the benefits or compensation afforded to you under the CBA to strangers on the internet. Move on.

[tbayav8er]

Glad to hear this FO was able to get it sorted out before departure....

[bcflyer]

it was a full fair J class paid back in April to the Caribbean. They got me bumped to the back. for a junior first officer so he could sit up in business class. better get used to it more passengers, complaining wherever they can.

Were you already checked in and had a J class seat? If so then you should definitely contact Air Canada as you should be entitled to compensation.

Couple other questions: I’m curious how you know the seniority of the F/O that was seated in J. Was there a Captain in J as well or just the F/O? As has been mentioned several times it wasn’t the pilot that bumped you, it was Air Canada. Doesn’t make it right but if you are an airline pilot you are fully aware of what is given up in negotiations to get any type of gains.

[swervin]

It appears Iflygirl92 is a Jazz pilot looking at their previous posts on here.

[Big Pistons Forever]

You don't get what you deserve you get what you negotiate. Pilot's negotiated a business class seat for deadheads, passenger bought a business class seat but got bumped. This is not the pilots problem, or the passenger's problem, its Air Canada's problem. So negotiations now start before boarding on compensation. I would be OK with a full refund, hotel, meal, and a J class seat the next day.

You don't have to be loud or obnoxious, just firm in your demands and keep escalating up the management food chain until you get what you want. I once had a similar issue. I had a paid for a J class seat but after an airplane change they tried to get me to accept a Y class middle seat . I refused and eventually got AC to put me on J class on United with a US connection that got me home 4.5 hours later. They initially refused any compensation but after 6 months of correspondence they figured out I wasn't going away and gave me a significant flight voucher. I wasn't mad, it's just business.

[braaap Braap]

None of this happened and Iflygirl_92 is having a blast watching you all react to them.

[Crewbunk]

None of this happened and Iflygirl_92 is having a blast watching you all react to them.

That was pretty obvious the second time I asked for flights/dates. I’d have no problem seeing exactly what, if anything, happened. No answer? Didn’t happen!

I don’t think there was a lot of reaction on our side of the fence. Flygirl sure gets wound up though.

[TheAlcalde]

It appears Iflygirl92 is a Jazz pilot looking at their previous posts on here.

We need flygirl at mainline ASAP so we can watch her let loose on yammer

[dhc2pilot]

A true professional will allow the passenger to hold his J class sheet and take hie seat in the back you guys fly all the time a paying pastor who reserved J in advance is may be traveling to three times a year max and does it for the experience and you’re mocking that person you guys really are shameful on it allowed that passenger to stay in J class and you go sit in the back

That’s one long sentence. Try using spell check and punctuation.

Business class may not be for you.