Antonov's in YZF?

Canook · Post by **Canook** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:09 pm

Heard various rumours going around that a few Antonov heavy transports are headed for Yellowknife. Bringing with them some giant Mil helicopter to boot! Apparently to haul stuff up to the diamond mines that didn't make the ice road.

Anyone hear anything about this? Possible ETA and all that? I'm mostly interested as a photo opportunity more that anything. Maybe any other rumours/info/whatever could be consolidated here.

Take it easy!

Pratt · Post by **Pratt** » Mon May 01, 2006 6:01 pm

I heard that it is being looked at, I didn't hear how many or whether there are helicopters involved.

No doubt it will be ASAP, but there are a few things to be worked out first.

Blue Side Down · Post by **Blue Side Down** » Mon May 01, 2006 6:15 pm

We departed behind a Ant. out of Pearson this morning at about 830. Thing sure has a lot of wheels.

Daart · Post by **Daart** » Mon May 01, 2006 7:05 pm

The Mil heli is slated to do about 100 trips out of ZF starting May 6. The Antonov as well.

TAT · Post by **TAT** » Mon May 01, 2006 8:13 pm

Apparently canadian carriers have to sign off on having foreign carriers to come in and do the cargo work. They have been slated to come to YZF for a while.

SayAgain · Post by **SayAgain** » Mon May 01, 2006 8:30 pm

Heard today that the Mil will arrive Friday or Saturday and the first trip to Diavik will be on Monday

jrbloatedfish · Post by **jrbloatedfish** » Tue May 02, 2006 5:19 am

What model Mil will be working out of YZF? Does it have any connection with the Mil26 bound for Alberta?

Arrow · Post by **Arrow** » Tue May 02, 2006 7:14 am

This is what slays me about our government. They legislate our industry to death, then they turn a blind eye to these Russian chunks of crap coming into the country to make huge dollars. Sure they're lifting capability is unbelievable, but some of the soviet stuff I've seen, holy, nil safety standards, nowhere near as restrictive as ours, yet our government could give a shit.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Tue May 02, 2006 7:35 am

" Sure they're lifting capability is unbelievable, but some of the soviet stuff I've seen, holy, nil safety standards, nowhere near as restrictive as ours, "

May I make two comments?

With all the so called safety standards that TCCA has are the Russian operators any less safe?

And if you don't like the Russian operations don't fly for them..really quite simple..

Cat

Four1oh · Post by **Four1oh** » Tue May 02, 2006 8:16 am

which antinov's are we talking about? What's diavik's runway length these days? 3 years ago, it wasn't all that long.

palmpilot · Post by **palmpilot** » Tue May 02, 2006 8:53 am

Diavik is 5200' long. The Antonov's will only be able to do partial loads due to runway length. The need is for the large bulky stuff that could not get up on the ice road and also not fit (size wise, not necessarily weight) on the Herc, i.e. shovels, big equipment tires etc.

SayAgain · Post by **SayAgain** » Tue May 02, 2006 9:28 am

My understanding is that transport will take two days to go over the mil before they give it certification.
Also, I am not sure that the antonov will be doing that many trips if any, as they have wet leased three hercs for 3 months(First Air's and two from South Africa). I guess time will tell...

round pounder · Post by **round pounder** » Tue May 02, 2006 10:00 am

No offence boys but quit blowing smoke out of certain holes, everyone and every post is pretty well out to lunch. wait till it shows up, wait till companies make announcements then start talking. But for the moment christ your like a bunch of old girls sitting at a bridge table.

w squared · Post by **w squared** » Tue May 02, 2006 10:17 am

With the exception of the MI-26 that AES is (as far as I know) still in the process of bringing on line, what piece of equipment in Canada could possibly move the same loads as the gear under discussion?

I'm sure that AES already has plans and clients ready for their MI-26, otherwise they wouldn't have invested in bringing Russian pilots over and ferrying it into the country. (I'm unsure as to whether or not that's happened yet) This is obviously a case of specialized equipment being brought in to fill a specialized role.

Personally, I'm just hoping that by some fluke I get a chance to see one of the Antonovs or the Mil.

Arctic Icarus · Post by **Arctic Icarus** » Tue May 02, 2006 3:08 pm

From what I've heard the Antonov should be arriving within a week to begin it's work to the mines.

Also, it's not the big ones. It's an AN-12 that's coming in. Should be unique just the same.

J31 · Post by **J31** » Tue May 02, 2006 3:59 pm

w squared wrote:With the exception of the MI-26 that AES is (as far as I know) still in the process of bringing on line, what piece of equipment in Canada could possibly move the same loads as the gear under discussion?

I'm sure that AES already has plans and clients ready for their MI-26, otherwise they wouldn't have invested in bringing Russian pilots over and ferrying it into the country. (I'm unsure as to whether or not that's happened yet) This is obviously a case of specialized equipment being brought in to fill a specialized role.

Personally, I'm just hoping that by some fluke I get a chance to see one of the Antonovs or the Mil.

Is this what AES (I think you mean Airborne Energy Solutions) is bringing into the oil patch? This thing will pick up over 60,000 lbs

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From http://www.airliners.net

CYOX · Post by **CYOX** » Tue May 02, 2006 4:15 pm

Daart wrote:The Mil heli is slated to do about 100 trips out of ZF starting May 6. The Antonov as well.

The Mil will only do approx 20 trips. The An12 will probably do 400.

CYOX · Post by **CYOX** » Tue May 02, 2006 4:16 pm

J31 wrote:
w squared wrote:With the exception of the MI-26 that AES is (as far as I know) still in the process of bringing on line, what piece of equipment in Canada could possibly move the same loads as the gear under discussion?

I'm sure that AES already has plans and clients ready for their MI-26, otherwise they wouldn't have invested in bringing Russian pilots over and ferrying it into the country. (I'm unsure as to whether or not that's happened yet) This is obviously a case of specialized equipment being brought in to fill a specialized role.

Personally, I'm just hoping that by some fluke I get a chance to see one of the Antonovs or the Mil.
Is this what AES (I think you mean Airborne Energy Solutions) is bringing
into the oil patch? This thing will pick up over 60,000 lbs !

From http://www.airliners.net

You are wrong, Maximum lift is 44,000 pounds

w squared · Post by **w squared** » Tue May 02, 2006 4:41 pm

You're right CYOX. 20 tons is still a lot though.

From what I hear they're bringing it on line to enable the deployment of a heli-portable drilling rig that will be operated in conjunction with Nabors Drilling. The venture is going to be called "Nabors Bluesky".

I can absolutely understand the choice to get into bed with an established drilling operator on this one. Well servicing (slickline, N2, coil tubing, fluid pumping, and their service rig) is a different world than drilling. My job lets me see both sides of the upstream industry, and investing that much money into the drilling side without some help from an established drilling company would be a very risky proposition.

Please keep in mind that all of this info is second-hand...I haven't been able to track down much in the way of hard facts from either AES or Nabors Drilling. I've hear lots of tidbits from folks on both sides, but haven't yet run into anyone that knows the whole scoop.

Lommer · Post by **Lommer** » Tue May 02, 2006 6:00 pm

From wikipedia:

On August 19, 2002, Chechen rebels hit an Mi-26 with a surface to air missile, causing it to crash in a minefield. A total of 127 Russians were killed in the crash. An investigation determined that the helicopter was grossly overloaded—the helicopter was only meant to carry about 80 troops, while this one was carrying around 150. A 1997 order prohibited the overloading of such flights, but in this case it was apparently not heeded.

In response to this crash, Russian president Vladimir Putin ordered an inquiry into the military's negligence. The commander in charge of the helicopter, Lieutenant-Colonel Alexander Kudyakov, was convicted of negligence and violating flight regulations. The Chechen who shot down the helicopter was sentenced to life in prison in April 2004 [1].

150 people!? Even if it was horribly overloaded thats more passengers than your average small airliner! An impressive bird indeed...

rotorfloat · Post by **rotorfloat** » Tue May 02, 2006 6:14 pm

I guess one of the logistical problems with that puppy (the Mil) is fuel. They burn on the order of 3000+litres an hour.

I heard 2 B-trains will be running non-stop to keep 'er quenched.

Dust Devil · Post by **Dust Devil** » Tue May 02, 2006 8:55 pm

That's freakin nuts

Lommer · Post by **Lommer** » Tue May 02, 2006 11:18 pm

Lol, the number I heard quoted for fuel burn was 3600 Litres per hour. If you figure roughly $1 per Litre, that means you're burning 1 dollar for every second those turbines' are running.

Brings a whole new meaning to frustrating traffic delays...

J31 · Post by **J31** » Wed May 03, 2006 2:47 am

CYOX wrote:
You are wrong, Maximum lift is 44,000 pounds

You are right. Depending on the model the sling load is between 44,000-48,500lbs which is very impressive. If you count disposable and non disposable load she is capable of lifting her weight (empty 62,170 lbs- 123,450 lbs max takeoff = 61280 lbs!)

Donald · Post by **Donald** » Fri May 05, 2006 3:58 pm

She's on her way.....

http://www.cbc.ca/north/story/nor-sikorski-visit.html

Big chopper drops in on Yukon
Last updated May 5 2006 01:18 PM CDT
CBC News
One of the world's biggest helicopters will make a brief stop in the Yukon on Friday en route to the Northwest Territories, local airport officials say.

An MI-26 was enlisted to transport crucial equipment to a diamond mine after mild conditions forced the early closure of ice roads this year.

Mines in the territory rely on ice roads to bring in thousands of truckloads of fuel, equipment, explosives and other supplies for the year.

The massive helicopters can carry a load of 20 tonnes, or about the same as a Hercules C-130 cargo plane.

They consume 3,500 litres of fuel per hour, and operate at an hourly cost of $13,000 US.

Last year, the United Nations used an MI-26 to lift critical aid into Pakistani communities crippled by devastating earthquakes.

Antonov's in YZF?

Antonov's in YZF?

russian stuff up north