PASCO’s Constant Job Ads

[Dronepiper]

[rigpiggy]

Because they either don't pay enough( live in yvr,yyc, yyj) or their are better options

[Liftdump]

Pretty simple, Sh#@ job

[khedrei]

But they have *NEW PAYSCALE/INCENTIVES*

[Cherokee12]

Poverty wages in some of the highest COL areas in North America

Shocked Pikachu face

[mmm...bacon]

Does anyone know and care to post, the NEW PAYSCALE/INCENTIVES?

[aviatorcariboo]

The pay is listed in the March 22 ads. The captain base rates just increased quite a bit and are now on par or better than other western Canada operators that I’m familiar with.

Curious why some are saying it’s a bad job? I’ve always heard good things

[CanadaAir]

The pay is listed in the March 22 ads. The captain base rates just increased quite a bit and are now on par or better than other western Canada operators that I’m familiar with.

Curious why some are saying it’s a bad job? I’ve always heard good things

#1 Low paying operators tend to crash more. Experienced pilots leave and novices are left trying to fly a Saab safely in the mountains.

Many 703 operators who don't post every day on Avcanada are paying direct entry captains $140,000 base salary, add in mileage pay, vacation pay, and per diems and the overall starting salaries are $200,000 or higher.

Why would any ATPL apply to captain larger aircraft with old avionics like a Saab or 1900 for $80,000.

Even starting FO rates at 703 are over $65,000.

Maybe Encore pilots or Jazz pilots might want to go to PASCO for a raise.

This forum covers how behind operators like PASCO, Perimeter, Carson are on pay
viewtopic.php?t=181713

[Daigo]

#1 Low paying operators tend to crash more. Experienced pilots leave and novices are left trying to fly a Saab safely in the mountains.

Many 703 operators who don't post every day on Avcanada are paying direct entry captains $140,000 base salary, add in mileage pay, vacation pay, and per diems and the overall starting salaries are $200,000 or higher.

Why would any ATPL apply to captain larger aircraft with old avionics like a Saab or 1900 for $80,000.

Even starting FO rates at 703 are over $65,000.

Maybe Encore pilots or Jazz pilots might want to go to PASCO for a raise.

This forum covers how behind operators like PASCO, Perimeter, Carson are on pay
viewtopic.php?t=181713

703 FO rates are starting at over $65,000??? In what world?? Please let us know

[CanadaAir]

#1 Low paying operators tend to crash more. Experienced pilots leave and novices are left trying to fly a Saab safely in the mountains.

Many 703 operators who don't post every day on Avcanada are paying direct entry captains $140,000 base salary, add in mileage pay, vacation pay, and per diems and the overall starting salaries are $200,000 or higher.

Why would any ATPL apply to captain larger aircraft with old avionics like a Saab or 1900 for $80,000.

Even starting FO rates at 703 are over $65,000.

Maybe Encore pilots or Jazz pilots might want to go to PASCO for a raise.

This forum covers how behind operators like PASCO, Perimeter, Carson are on pay
viewtopic.php?t=181713

703 FO rates are starting at over $65,000??? In what world?? Please let us know

Multiple Medevac and corporate 703, with 1000 hrs

Some of these rates were posted

[khedrei]

#1 Low paying operators tend to crash more. Experienced pilots leave and novices are left trying to fly a Saab safely in the mountains.

Many 703 operators who don't post every day on Avcanada are paying direct entry captains $140,000 base salary, add in mileage pay, vacation pay, and per diems and the overall starting salaries are $200,000 or higher.

Why would any ATPL apply to captain larger aircraft with old avionics like a Saab or 1900 for $80,000.

Even starting FO rates at 703 are over $65,000.

Maybe Encore pilots or Jazz pilots might want to go to PASCO for a raise.

This forum covers how behind operators like PASCO, Perimeter, Carson are on pay
viewtopic.php?t=181713

703 FO rates are starting at over $65,000??? In what world?? Please let us know

Multiple Medevac and corporate 703, with 1000 hrs

Some of these rates were posted

Could you give us some company names. I've been looking and found nothing.

[Dronepiper]

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[piperdriver]

Thanks for posting the above information Dronepiper. This is a great thread and very informative for guys and gals pursuing flying jobs at 703 operators.

PS. If anyone has current salary/schedule info for Thunder Airlines could you please share or send me a private message.
Thanks.

[Daigo]

Here

So you dug around for payscales much higher than average and still couldn't show us that any of them are "over $65000". The closest you came was missinipi (possibly the highest paying 703 the country) where under certain conditions (flying medevac) you can reach the peak canadian 703 FO of 65000 but even still its not "over" and it's certainly doesn't validate your statement of "703 FO positions start at over $65000"

I don't mean to be a dick by pointing out the misinformation. It just came off as really out of touch as the overwhelming vast majority of 703 and even 705 FO's don't start anywhere that. Your post glamorized something which doesnt exist when in reality most 703's are still at a very sad state

[propfeather]

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So you dug around for payscales much higher than average and still couldn't show us that any of them are "over $65000". The closest you came was missinipi (possibly the highest paying 703 the country) where under certain conditions (flying medevac) you can reach the peak canadian 703 FO of 65000 but even still its not "over" and it's certainly doesn't validate your statement of "703 FO positions start at over $65000"

I don't mean to be a dick by pointing out the misinformation. It just came off as really out of touch as the overwhelming vast majority of 703 and even 705 FO's don't start anywhere that. Your post glamorized something which doesnt exist when in reality most 703's are still at a very sad state

Carson medevac FO starts at 60k and goes to 80k.
That Missinipi medevac FO scale hits 65k once you have 1000hrs with the company and tops out at 80K.

[Dronepiper]

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So you dug around for payscales much higher than average and still couldn't show us that any of them are "over $65000". The closest you came was missinipi (possibly the highest paying 703 the country) where under certain conditions (flying medevac) you can reach the peak canadian 703 FO of 65000 but even still its not "over" and it's certainly doesn't validate your statement of "703 FO positions start at over $65000"

I don't mean to be a dick by pointing out the misinformation. It just came off as really out of touch as the overwhelming vast majority of 703 and even 705 FO's don't start anywhere that. Your post glamorized something which doesnt exist when in reality most 703's are still at a very sad state

To be fair here, I never made the comment about FO wages. Someone else did that. I just posted some scales

[co-joe]

But they have *NEW PAYSCALE/INCENTIVES*

So how bad is the new and improved pay scale? I only know the old and inferior one.

[Powerlength]

But they have *NEW PAYSCALE/INCENTIVES*

So how bad is the new and improved pay scale? I only know the old and inferior one.

A base salary for Direct Entry Captains starting from $83,347 to $100,000 annually based on experience
• Hourly per diem rate of $4.25 per duty hour
• Guaranteed minimum of 80 flying credits per month
• 12 Banked Statutory holidays
• Additional Trainer Pay Premiums for Training Captains
• 3% matching RRSP plan after completion of probationary

[CanadaAir]

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So you dug around for payscales much higher than average and still couldn't show us that any of them are "over $65000". The closest you came was missinipi (possibly the highest paying 703 the country) where under certain conditions (flying medevac) you can reach the peak canadian 703 FO of 65000 but even still its not "over" and it's certainly doesn't validate your statement of "703 FO positions start at over $65000"

I don't mean to be a dick by pointing out the misinformation. It just came off as really out of touch as the overwhelming vast majority of 703 and even 705 FO's don't start anywhere that. Your post glamorized something which doesnt exist when in reality most 703's are still at a very sad state

It's not misinformation. As shown above, various 703 operators are hiring 1000 hour FOs in the $60,000 to $70,000 range. Such operators don't post often on the jobs forum, as they already have pilots lined up and don't need to post. All pilots should try to convince their management to pay higher rates to retain experienced crew and maintain a safe company that doesn't go out of business due to an accident.

This post never mentioned that all 703 operators are paying this high, many pay below minimum wage and less than $30,000.

At least some operators have realized its better to pay $60,000 to $80,000 base pay in order to retain their experienced FO so they can transition to captain with experience rather than leave for a regional. Add in mileage pay and retaining bonuses, pay can be even higher for FOs at companies which value their experience and want them to be captains instead of move on.

These higher paying 703 chief pilots and other managers value their jobs, as they realize that company experienced pilots are less likely to crash.
A crash could cause the 703 to lose their contracts and revenue and have TC looking at a shutdown, sending the company out of business.

Many other 703 and 705 operators don't care about the FOs and deny them higher pay rates. These companies, like encore, jazz, perimeter, wasaya will lose their on type experienced captains & FOs to other carriers which pay higher. This results in lacking pilots who know the aircraft systems, airports & routes well enough to maintain previous levels of safety.
These low paying managers and chief pilots not standing up for higher pay are likely to lose their jobs when the next accident happens, most of them don't understand their jobs are at risk.

Look at most companies which have had an accident, the management and chief pilots quickly lose their jobs. If the accident is serious, the company is out of business.

Its in the interest of managers and chief pilots to pay their captains and FOs well to retain them. Why risk losing a chief pilot position and salary over a few extra dollars each hour for the pilots.

[co-joe]

But they have *NEW PAYSCALE/INCENTIVES*

So how bad is the new and improved pay scale? I only know the old and inferior one.

A base salary for Direct Entry Captains starting from $83,347 to $100,000 annually based on experience
• Hourly per diem rate of $4.25 per duty hour
• Guaranteed minimum of 80 flying credits per month
• 12 Banked Statutory holidays
• Additional Trainer Pay Premiums for Training Captains
• 3% matching RRSP plan after completion of probationary

Yuck. For a 30 000 lb aircraft?