Hi All,
A couple days ago, Harper announced that he would make it easier for people to immigrate to Canada that have skilled trades or education. What about Canadians that have degrees or diplomas that can't find work right now, how about help them first....
Second, in some of these countries people can buy their degree's, pilot licenses, trade certificate, etc with out even completing a day in school. So you want to recognize people's educations that are coming into Canada, great but how do you control it? I know first hand that an engineer from Canada and one from the Middle East have two completely different educational backgrounds. I have met people with a high school education from abroad that don't now what a half or quarter is, or when you ask someone what 10-14 is and they tell you 114.
What I am trying to get at is our standards are way higher than most other countries, so I think it is reasonable to tell someone who has a degree from abroad that may not meet our standards to go back to university for another 4 years to get up to snuff. If they were equal, why would employers say this now?
Harper wants to make it all equal, an engineer’s degree from Canada is no different from anywhere else, and that is basically what he is saying. I strongly disagree, why not help out Canadian's first, then pick the cream of the crop from other countries before saying everyone’s educations are equal, and opening the revolving door into Canada.
I may be totally off the wall on this one, but what do you guys think?
Ski_Bum
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My wife and her parent's immigrated and were givin landed immigrent status in the early 80's Her mom went to school to be a lab tech in scotland. When they arrived here they found out Canada would not recognize her training. Not a big deal she planned to stay home anyway and raise her kids while her husband ran his own autobody shop. The problem occured when he passed away a short time after they arrived in Canada. Because Canada would not recognize her training she could not get a job in the feild she was trained in. This made the following years very difficult for a single mom and 2 young daugters. My wife had to grow up alot faster than she should have had too. Globalization is a reality we are going to need to accept. Let the employeers decide who is best for their company not the government.
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Here's an interesting tidbit from the news yesterday on some of the work that Canadian's won't do...
Full story...High unemployment area imports Russian workers
Updated Sat. May. 13 2006 11:42 PM ET
CTV.ca News Staff
A Prince Edward Island lobster plant has imported workers from Russia, saying it can't find enough Atlantic Canadians to do the work.
This situation is occurring despite the fact that PEI's unemployment rate is over 10 per cent -- second-highest in Canada.
The Russians are happy.
"Easy job, yeah. For Russian people, I think it's easy job, yeah," Gia Mzhavanadze told CTV News.
However, some Islanders are not.
"Instead of everyone in Nova Scotia and PEI heading to Calgary and all those places, they can get work here, "said plant worker Jodi Roberts.
Ocean Choice's plant is located in Souris, about 80 kilometres east of Charlottetown, and employs about 300 people.
Plant owner Ocean Choice said it advertised throughout the Maritimes and Newfoundland and Labrador, but despite pay of nine dollars per hour, they couldn't find enough workers.
The firm blames the exodus of young people from the region and the higher aspirations of the ones who are staying.
"Young people are now going on to further their education and moving to more prosperous areas," said the company's Blaine Sullivan. "(It's) hard to compete with the oil boom in Alberta."
Brian Lee Crawley of the right-wing Atlantic Institute for Market Studies says what's shocking is how this is happening despite the large number of PEI residents drawing employment insurance cheques.
"The question we have to ask ourselves is why are so many of our unemployed receiving unemployment insurance not interested in taking that work?" he said.
However, the workers' union said the pay is too low to expect someone to commute from far away, so it supports the decision to bring in the Russians.
With 50 jobs still unfilled, the company may yet fly more workers in.
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Provided that the government is requiring degrees from accredited institutions, what's the problem? Sure, there are diploma mills in foreign countries, there are plenty here and in the US too.ski_bum wrote:Hi All,
A couple days ago, Harper announced that he would make it easier for people to immigrate to Canada that have skilled trades or education. What about Canadians that have degrees or diplomas that can't find work right now, how about help them first....
And our standards arn't that much higher (if at all) than many places in Europe or Asia.
Here's an example...
http://icpc.baylor.edu/icpc/Finals/default.htm
These are the results of the ACM programming challenge. The top universities for computer science from around the world enter into it every year.
Top 10 schools: 5 Russian, 1 American, 2 Polish, 1 from the Netherlands, 1 Chinese. MIT ranked 8th. The University of Alberta, and the University of Waterloo, Canada's top 2, ranked 11th and 12th. The US and Canada have each won once in the last 10 years. Don't confuse small amounts of education funding, foreign safety regulations, or the intelligence of a few people with the quality of the graduates from top foreign schools.
http://icpc.baylor.edu/icpc/Finals/default.htm
These are the results of the ACM programming challenge. The top universities for computer science from around the world enter into it every year.
Top 10 schools: 5 Russian, 1 American, 2 Polish, 1 from the Netherlands, 1 Chinese. MIT ranked 8th. The University of Alberta, and the University of Waterloo, Canada's top 2, ranked 11th and 12th. The US and Canada have each won once in the last 10 years. Don't confuse small amounts of education funding, foreign safety regulations, or the intelligence of a few people with the quality of the graduates from top foreign schools.
DD - I agree with your theory let "companies" pick who they want, sure, that's their problem....
But I have a problem with habib or lowinsky comming here and stating they have a degree in medicine, getting their own office and charging OHIP(or whatever your provincial health plan is called). You can get a dental degree in 1 year(ONE) in Poland... The Princes, can all probably buy(seeing as they own the schools) a degree in something...
So, let companies hire whoever they want, but if it comes to a gov't job or a job that will take tax dollars, the new comers can go get bent...
CD, your article is okay, sure we're importing ukrainians and russians to do trades, what's the big deal our idiot locals with degrees don't even want to work if it's not in their field and we pay for their welfare.....
Frankly we should kick every idiot off welfare and EI and send them to the cities that are importing these farts and have our own useless fucks do the work.....
But whatever.... I don't care, atleast tuition will go up again next year and so will our taxes....
But I have a problem with habib or lowinsky comming here and stating they have a degree in medicine, getting their own office and charging OHIP(or whatever your provincial health plan is called). You can get a dental degree in 1 year(ONE) in Poland... The Princes, can all probably buy(seeing as they own the schools) a degree in something...
So, let companies hire whoever they want, but if it comes to a gov't job or a job that will take tax dollars, the new comers can go get bent...
CD, your article is okay, sure we're importing ukrainians and russians to do trades, what's the big deal our idiot locals with degrees don't even want to work if it's not in their field and we pay for their welfare.....
Frankly we should kick every idiot off welfare and EI and send them to the cities that are importing these farts and have our own useless fucks do the work.....
But whatever.... I don't care, atleast tuition will go up again next year and so will our taxes....
This is one of the big things that make's me mad. EI is a great system; heck if I am ever in between jobs or need assistance it is there and I will use it to help me get by.cyyz wrote: Frankly we should kick every idiot off welfare and EI and send them to the cities that are importing these farts and have our own useless fucks do the work.....
But welfare, common folks, this is the most BS system out there. I am not sure what welfare pay is, but I am dam sure it is almost equal to what I make as a pilot, and more than I made as a flight instructor. So why would I go and get a job when I can sit at home, drink, get stoned and get paid to do it. What a great system we have created! I am sure some need it because they can't work because of being a single mom, etc, and they should be entitled to it. BUT, if we are paying someone able bodied and able to work to sit at home something is wrong. There are tones of potholes to be filled here in Winnipeg, and I think these are the perfect candidates to do the job.
