182 crash at Langley

[PilotDAR]

CBC reports a crash at Langley:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british- ... -1.6830201

I was in there a couple of weeks ago in the Beaver, thinking about the roads close under three of the four approaches. I hope the injured recover okay...

[boeingboy]

I was there - saw the fire start. He had a fairly new engine in it. His hanger neighbors said he was constantly messing with it. The water cooler conjecture is he lost the engine on short final and in the process of trying to make the runway he clipped the truck - went through the airport fence and ended up against the berm at the end of 25. His wife seems ok and he was burnt. We don't know how bad yet but he was flown to VGH. He probably got burnt crawling over to the right side door to get out.

[RVgrin]

Thanks for the info. Hoping for a speedy recovery for all involved.

Do you mean the beginning of 25 (end of 07)?

[boeingboy]

Yes. They hit just short of the threshold of 25.

[boeingboy]

Not much left...completely burnt out

[karmutzen]

Not impressed with the fire suppression response at Langley. Isn't there a response standard for that category airport, as shown in the CFS? The airport is in the middle of town, surrounded by fire stations. If the pilot hadn't gotten out he would have be toast, no pun intended.

And what about training pilots to shut the fuel off on a forced approach (or after landing/crashing).

The way trucks are engineered for roof integrity for rollover protection, that must have been some vertical impact on it, like full stall drop.

Langley isn't friendly to engine failures.

[‘Bob’]

Not impressed with the fire suppression response at Langley. Isn't there a response standard for that category airport, as shown in the CFS? The airport is in the middle of town, surrounded by fire stations. If the pilot hadn't gotten out he would have be toast, no pun intended.

Where in the CFS are you looking? There’s no designated category for ARFF. Probably because there’s no sched service from aircraft that require it. Lots of airports with sched services like Terrace and Prince George only have ARFF available during windows of sched service or on call out.

In the middle of town surrounded by fire stations makes response better, but they still have to get the call, they still have to get to the airport, they still have to get through the gate and on site, and nobody is going to survive if they can’t get out of a burning aircraft. Heck, even the two minutes (I believe) for ARFF to be on site from the crash button wouldn’t be enough in a lot of cases… or if they were successfully extricated they would likely succumb to smoke inhalation or burns later on.

And what about training pilots to shut the fuel off on a forced approach (or after landing/crashing).

This is crucial as well as turning off electrical.. but will only reduce the risk not eliminate it.

The way trucks are engineered for roof integrity for rollover protection, that must have been some vertical impact on it, like full stall drop.

That’s an older truck… and rollover is based on a very blunt object (the ground) vs the localized impact from a landing gear or engine that hit it. Kind of like how an eggshell can hold the weight of a hen.. but puncture with the press of a finger.

Langley isn't friendly to engine failures.

You can say that again. Unfortunately this will be more ammunition for NIMBYs.

[Big Pistons Forever]

ARFF’s job is not to save the airplane it is too save the people in it.

[7ECA]

Latest rumour is both the driver and aircraft passenger are "okay", while the PIC has a fairly serious head injury which is why he was medevac'd.

If you look at the photos, two people were extricated and led away from the aircraft prior to the fire taking hold. Kudos to the bystanders at Langley for jumping into action and getting both occupants out of the aircraft.

[digits_]

And what about training pilots to shut the fuel off on a forced approach (or after landing/crashing).

This is crucial as well as turning off electrical.. but will only reduce the risk not eliminate it.

Turning electrical off before the crash: great if it doesn't distract you too much.
Turning electrical off after the crash in a damaged aircraft: this can cause a fire, don't do that. Just get out and let the power burn out. If it catches fire when you're out, so be it.

[photofly]

Kind of like how an eggshell can hold the weight of a hen.. but puncture with the press of a finger.

Lol. I don't think the hen actually sits on the egg.

[digits_]

Kind of like how an eggshell can hold the weight of a hen.. but puncture with the press of a finger.

Lol. I don't think the hen actually sits on the egg.

They sure do. With single eggs a lot of the weight is distributed on the ground and you could likely argue that they are touching the ground more than the egg. But if they are sitting on 20 eggs, virtually all the weight of the hen is supported by the eggs. By multiple eggs of course, but still, by the eggs.

The most dangerous part is the touching of the eggs amongst themselves, that seems to be what causes them to break most. Other than a naughty hen that would peck her own eggs to eat them.

[photofly]

Kind of like how an eggshell can hold the weight of a hen.. but puncture with the press of a finger.

Lol. I don't think the hen actually sits on the egg.

They sure do. With single eggs a lot of the weight is distributed on the ground and you could likely argue that they are touching the ground more than the egg. But if they are sitting on 20 eggs, virtually all the weight of the hen is supported by the eggs. By multiple eggs of course, but still, by the eggs.

I need to do some experiments.

Also need to check what the babysitter has been doing.

[PilotDAR]

Isn't there a response standard for that category airport, as shown in the CFS?

Be careful what you ask for... A local airport did that, and you were covered for crash/fire/rescue in your Cessna for every landing - and every landing had a $10 fee on top of the airport landing fee for the service being available. I think they've withdrawn it, but I haven't been back anyway...

[pelmet]

Low approach. Know another guy that did similar and hit a fence...........

C-GIDY, a privately registered Cessna 182P, was conducting a visual flight rules sightseeing flight
from, returning to, Langley (CYNJ), BC, with the pilot and one passenger on board. When the
aircraft returned to CYNJ, a straight in approach to Runway 25 was conducted. The aircraft was
observed to be low on the approach. The aircraft struck a vehicle on the public road approximately
450 feet east of the runway’s displaced threshold. It then impacted the airport perimeter fence
approximately 60 feet west of the initial impact and slid a further 30 feet, before it came to rest
against a berm. A post-impact fire started shortly after. The passenger and pilot were extracted
from the aircraft with the assistance of bystanders. The driver of the impacted vehicle was
transferred to hospital via ground ambulance with minor injuries. The pilot sustained serious
injuries and the passenger sustained minor injuries; both were airlifted to hospital. Firefighters
extinguished the aircraft fire and the associated grass fire; the aircraft was destroyed.