Here we go

[RippleRock]

First few shots fired over our respective bows. Hands are being played.

We turf the 10 year deal legally at our option (because it sucked badly and was train wreck) and the Corp cancels all pilot B1 travel passes. Nice tit for tat. They were a bit of a turd though, as boarding priority was abused by vindictive gate agents constantly. Either way, I'm hoping our leadership at ALPA has a firm "within the contract" response.

Anyways, know that it's ON. Don't ever forget you're a COST UNIT, nothing more. The objective is to oppress your desire to better yourselves and your family, and stripping B1's unnecessarily proved that point. This is going to get serious before -any- legitimate gains are seen. Know your contract and obligations. Follow Charlene's lead TO THE LETTER. Unity is the ONLY WAY forward.

United we stand, divided we fall. Every person out there knows the truth and clarity of this famous statement.



FWIW, I'm sure the FA's are celebrating the demise of our B1's. However, they should be careful celebrating as their C1's are next.

[TheAlcalde]

1:15 in the crew room sharp. Start with a Phone call to dispatch for updates. Every NOTAM gets checked. Draft & drop only. No calls to STOC, let them figure it out while we’re running engines and APUs. We can have fun with this.

[kiaszceski]

1:15 in the crew room sharp. Start with a Phone call to dispatch for updates. Every NOTAM gets checked. Draft & drop only. No calls to STOC, let them figure it out while we’re running engines and APUs. We can have fun with this.

I like that.

[RVR6000]

I will add: Pilots only in the jumpseat. FAs can figure out their own commute.

[Bede]

I will add: Pilots only in the jumpseat. FAs can figure out their own commute.

What benefit would that be to the pilots? Don't pilots already get first bid for the JS?

[RVR6000]

I will add: Pilots only in the jumpseat. FAs can figure out their own commute.

What benefit would that be to the pilots? Don't pilots already get first bid for the JS?

Yes, however on my flights the jumpseat is available for pilots Only. The FAs fought hard against the B1s.

[Crewbunk]

I will add: Pilots only in the jumpseat. FAs can figure out their own commute.

What benefit would that be to the pilots? Don't pilots already get first bid for the JS?

I think it’s more of a line in the sand. Either you are with us or against us.

The issue of B1s between pilots and flight attendants has been contentious at the best. A great diversion devised by the company. They focus on something minor, while the company is buying caseloads of KY.

A lot of F/As don’t know that while the cabin jumpseats can be occupied by qualified non-revs, the final say rests with the Captain.

[altiplano]

I will add: Pilots only in the jumpseat. FAs can figure out their own commute.

What benefit would that be to the pilots? Don't pilots already get first bid for the JS?

Getting an FA to work in the flight deck helps a coworker, but it helps the company too, I'm all out of motivation to help this operation unless I'm helping one of our own.

On a deeper level though...

FAs acquired C1 passes for themselves including extra bankable C1 passes for working on holidays. Their C2 passes are service charge exempted. They have a commuting policy too. Whatever, good for them. Not my contract.

But the FAs bitched and moaned the loudest about the pilot B1s, routinely brought up the unfairness of it during pairings, used language and tactics that would be considered harassment including on official company channels and officially grieved our B1 passes. Hypocrites.

I get along great with my crews, and it's not against them as individuals, but associations and unions are made up of individuals, and individuals need to take responsibility for that behaviour - it was ultimately driven by them.

[Ash Ketchum]

As a father of young kids who never travels I never even used the B1s so couldn't care less that they are gone. I was surprised there was such a heated debate over them - it's not like they are guaranteed seats.

[rudder]

Well, May 30 is turning out to be an interesting date.

2 shots fired by AC over the bow of ALPA represented pilots. Both seemingly related to (early) collective bargaining.

Hope it is coincidence and not intended to set the tone of future discussions.

[truedude]

Well, May 30 is turning out to be an interesting date.

2 shots fired by AC over the bow of ALPA represented pilots. Both seemingly related to (early) collective bargaining.

Hope it is coincidence and not intended to set the tone of future discussions.

It is 100% intended to set the tone. Air Canada is still playing the game as if it was 20 years ago.

[Crewbunk]

Air Canada is still playing the game as if it was 20 years ago.

Luckily, we don’t have the same union we had 20 years ago. Nor, the same mind-set of pilots like 20 years ago.

I think Air Canada shit the bed on this one. If they had said, “in the spirit of co-operation, we’re keeping the B1s and moving forward”, this summer might have been easier to staff. As it stands, the first reaction is, “you know, this summer, I’m just going to fly the contract, nothing more”.

[lownslow]

As a father of young kids who never travels I never even used the B1s so couldn't care less that they are gone. I was surprised there was such a heated debate over them - it's not like they are guaranteed seats.

As one who regularly sees loads above 100% I also couldn’t care less that they’re gone. A B1 would just put me higher on the list of people left behind. Who cares?

B1s cost the company nothing (okay, that extra 80 kilos has an effect on fuel burn, I guess) so taking them away is just a dramatic statement.

[Crewbunk]

B1s cost the company nothing (okay, that extra 80 kilos has an effect on fuel burn, I guess) so taking them away is just a dramatic statement.

Not to mention, your 80 Kgs affect on fuel burn is the same, B1, C1, C2, etc.

Yesterday an F/A said, (smugly) I hear you’re about to lose your B1s. Now, we’re all equal again. I just laughed and said, “Honey, I make over $300K/yr, you think I fly (sniff) stand-by. I don’t think so”.

I walked away, but the F/O said her face was priceless.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yesterday an F/A said, (smugly) I hear you’re about to lose your B1s. Now, we’re all equal again.

I like to be equal when it benefits me. Doctors, athletes etc… yes please! Why should an NBA player make more than WNBA player? EQUALITY!!! If you disagree you are misogynistic sexist racimophbinbat.

Now don’t even ask me why 50 percent of brick layers and taxi drivers are not women.

And it’s also important to attack the people around you the most. I will fight to the death with a pilot over passes and completely ignore the CEO’s salary. This gives me the most satisfaction. Equality is most important, not quality. I don’t care if I have to eat white rice and ketchup for dinner every night as long as everyone else is equal and in the same boat. Socialism! Next best thing to rice and ketchup!

[lownslow]

B1s cost the company nothing (okay, that extra 80 kilos has an effect on fuel burn, I guess) so taking them away is just a dramatic statement.

Not to mention, your 80 Kgs affect on fuel burn is the same, B1, C1, C2, etc.

Right, so literally no cost to the company. It was a gesture meant solely to hurt someone.

[Bede]

I will add: Pilots only in the jumpseat. FAs can figure out their own commute.

What benefit would that be to the pilots? Don't pilots already get first bid for the JS?

Yes, however on my flights the jumpseat is available for pilots Only. The FAs fought hard against the B1s.

I'm sorry, but that's a terrible attitude to have. I have no idea about B1's, C1's, etc., but you're about to go into battle for a better CA. You don't need to open another front.

[lownslow]

What benefit would that be to the pilots? Don't pilots already get first bid for the JS?

Yes, however on my flights the jumpseat is available for pilots Only. The FAs fought hard against the B1s.

I'm sorry, but that's a terrible attitude to have. I have no idea about B1's, C1's, etc., but you're about to go into battle for a better CA. You don't need to open another front.

He may have a point, Bede. The FAs have a commute policy so denying JS potentially gets them a totally kosher day off while also kicking the company. Still feels dirty though.

[Mac08]

B1s cost the company nothing (okay, that extra 80 kilos has an effect on fuel burn, I guess) so taking them away is just a dramatic statement.

Not to mention, your 80 Kgs affect on fuel burn is the same, B1, C1, C2, etc.

Yesterday an F/A said, (smugly) I hear you’re about to lose your B1s. Now, we’re all equal again. I just laughed and said, “Honey, I make over $300K/yr, you think I fly (sniff) stand-by. I don’t think so”.

I walked away, but the F/O said her face was priceless.

I'm all for putting people in their place but the way that was typed made me die on the inside of cringe. Go get'em boomer?

Pilots crying over losing B1's on online forms or chat groups (New hires in GS even) is the companies wet dream. Don't give it to them and follow the contract.. Seems pretty simple.

[DanWEC]

I'm shocked to see the level antagonism here between cabin and flight crew. Has this been going on for a while at AC?
From my humble outsider's perspective, it could be detrimental towards a gain for everyone as a whole, but, I'm not at AC, so take it for whatever it's worth.
Go hard friends, stand strong, stand united, and don't let them @#$! you for another decade again!