Explain why union agreed to paying 737 pilots similar to garbage truck driver & meter reader.

737 not entry level job.
737 fly, not drive
737 weekend & night shifts, away from base
Expensive training & years of experience

Explain



There were posts on transit bus drivers wages over $100,000
http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopic.php?t=190113

The $70,000 meter reader starting salary
http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopic.php?t=181713

The rates of CRJ first officer, plumbers, teachers nurses
http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopi ... 5&start=20


The new hire garbage truck drivers at $70,000 a year ($35/hour

Monday to Friday work days, not night shifts & red eyes


Waste Connections of Canada has immediate openings for a Garbage Truck Driver (Front End Swing) for our Toronto/Concord district. Our priority is to give our drivers a great paying career with great incentives! As a Garbage Truck Driver (Front End Swing), you are responsible for waste and recycling collection services. We are looking for a SAFETY inclined, energetic, autonomous and proactive team player capable of making a difference in his/her team and community.

Location: 650 Creditstone Rd Toronto, ON
Pay rate: $32.67 per hour per hour

Incentives:

Benefits: Full Benefit package after 3 months of service

Annual boot and clothing allowance

Be home daily




Front End Garbage Truck Operator * $35/hr- job post
Super Save Disposal
Mississauga, ON
Courtenay, BC

If you have the right qualifications and desire for hard work please forward your resume and current abstract.

Join the Blue guys TODAY!

Job Type: Full-time

Salary: $35.00 per hour

Schedule:

Monday to Friday
Weekend availability

If garbage company can pay truck driver $70
Airline can pay at $100 or more

Alaska airlines, same aircraft, airspace & airports & similar size company
Alaska airlines can pay canada $136/hour for new hire, $202/hour year 2
Small no union company King Air captains over $100,000, some $200,000 Switch to WestJet?

Explain

Onex can't afford?
WestJet can't afford?

Not possible to double or triple?
Done with pilots last year http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopic.php?t=190473

Does the public & government have issue with a CEO tripling salaries?
Airline can't afford?

"Air Canada boss's pay tripled in 2022 to $12.4 million

https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/air-canada- ... -1.6350491


WestJet GS pay $4.9 million

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/ ... -1.3919713

CEO bonus this year.

What's the difference between the pilots flying a passenger on WestJet connecting to Delta? Its the same.

The ticket sold by WestJet, with the passenger initially with WestJet pilots prior to flying with Delta pilots.

WestJet and US airlines share same airspace & destinations & same geography east to west.

With codeshare a passenger can be on a WestJet flight then transition to Skywest and Delta in the same day.

Airspace, geography, destinations, aircraft type & passenger citizenship isn't reasons to pay WestJet pilots less.

ads-b wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 9:44 am Does anyone own a calculator?

The government offloaded airports. Used to be an expense now they charge insane lease rates to the not for profit airports. Now cash cow. No one cares.

AIF fees go up $10. No one cares.

NavCan increases fees. No one cares.

Pilots want an extra $2 per hour/per available seat and the sky is falling.

150 seats x $2 = $300 hr. Average WJ flight is prob 3 hours. That’s $6 a ticket to give a proper raise.

Time to stop the tail wagging the dog.

CanadaAir wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:23 am
It's up to pilots to make the change, not the management or owners.

There are several ways to raise pay, even a small fare increase works:

A 737/319 with passengers in only 100 seats. Charge an extra $5 a ticket. That’s $500 or $250 for each pilot for the flight.
If the flight is 2.5 hours – that’s $100 an hour extra for each of the pilots.

A Dash8 or ATR with passengers in only 20 seats. Charge an extra $10 a ticket. That’s $200 or $100 for each pilot for the flight.
If the flight is 1.0 hours – that’s $100 an hour extra for each of the pilots.

A B1900 or Metro or Saab with passengers in only 10 seats. Charge an extra $20 a ticket. That’s $200 or $100 for each pilot for the flight.
If the flight is 1.0 hours – that’s $100 an hour extra for each of the pilots.

A small increase in fares covers huge increases in pilot salaries, there isn’t even a requirement to take from existing revenues.

CanadaAir wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 9:46 am
As per examples in post above, raising pilot wages by $50 to $100 an hour only takes a passenger fare increase of $2 to $10 per ticket. Or instead of raising fares, this $2 to $10 could be taken from existing passenger fares/revenue. Or $1 could be taken from existing revenue, and $1 from increasing fares, or any combination. Or the carrier could increase supplemental fees by $1, and fares by $0.50.
There are many ways to get a few more $ per passenger.

The money for higher wages, not hard to find.

What is not simple is to convince pilots they should stand up for an extra small percentage of the overall fare, instead of it going directly to executives or shareholders.

The new WJ pilot contract close to $1 fare increase.

Can WJ MEC ask company to additional fare increase $1, all WJ FO would be over $100,000 & captains would see another gain

Canadian Air Transport Security Authority 1 year inflation increase over $2 for each ticket

Double the increase the pilots get.
WestJet pilots work, government gets bigger wage increase than the pilots

Where's the outrage
Where's the WestJet CEO negotiating with the government 6 months against a $2 increase?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/federa ... -1.6795296

Canadian Air Transport Security Authority 1 year inflation increase over $2 for each ticket or 33%

Government increase of 33% inflation on the ticket

For pilots 3% & 2.5% inflation on wages

You can vote here if you think inflation to go back to 2%
http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopic.php?t=191226

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Posting just so CanadaAir is not having a conversation with himself, not that it justifies but the Garbage truck driver will never make senior pilot wages. They may start at 70,000 but will top out under 100k, might do this as a retirement gig, part time of course.

WestJet pilots get a lower raise than Canadian Air Transport Security Authority
CATSA will get double the recent increases in the pilot contract, a 33% domestic increase to CATSA while pilots get 16%

CanadaAir wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 8:57 am WestJet pilots get a lower raise than Canadian Air Transport Security Authority
CATSA will get double the recent increases in the pilot contract, a 33% domestic increase to CATSA while pilots get 16%


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$10-$35 increases on fares. The public will never accept those increases and will refuse to fly anymore. Oh wait….

Requesting the MEC to go back, the MEC chair doesn't need to step down.
They shouldn't interpret it as a loss of support.
The MEC has support & appreciation.

The company should be open to a few more amendments from the rushed deal.
A small $1 fare increase on each ticket to wages. Or a half dollar increase on tickets, a half dollar increase on bags.
No need to threaten lockout or strike.

Can WJ MEC ask company to additional fare increase $1, all WJ FO would be over $100,000 & captains would see another gain

If you’re not happy, vote NO.

This thread is a joke.

Soon as I read the second post and saw it was the same poster, I scrolled to see the next actual poster and read that.

Vote no if you’re not happy, or got to Flair. Options are plentiful these days.