Anyone know anything about a small aircraft that was down about 1000ft short of Rwy 31 in YWG today.
We were taxing out today and all the equipment was being cleared across the airport to the end of 31 where what looked like a 182 or 206 was in the grass short of the strip. The gear had either collapsed, or the aircraft was a type with a retractible that wasn't put down. We didn't get that good a look, but the trucks were just going to the aircraft, and tower had to switch the active from 13 to 36. With the winds 30nts favoring 13, I'm sure no one was trying to land 31 intentionally.
Hope no one was hurt, and am just curious about what happened.
Small plane down in YWG today
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Talked to the guys at the Esso, they said the guy landed on 13 and just kept rolling. He slammed on the brakes at the last minute and then rolled off the end. I guess he tried to crank it back abournd to the runway and then the nose sank into the mud and the prop struck the ground. The esso guys said they saw the chunks of sod fly off the prop. Unfortunate for the flying club, I heard that it's their newest plane.
I saw the plane....I can't imagine how you could land on a runway close to 2 miles long in a small Cessna...and just roll off the end. The plane was facing Rwy 31 like it was on a perfect approach....but just didn't make it. Plus it looked like it had no gear left attached. It just doesn't make sense that it rolled off the end....then made a perfect 180.....then started to loose parts. There has to be something missing here.
What type of Aircraft was it....and did it belong to Winnipeg Flying Club??
Was it a student on his first solo to YWG?....like I said...from what we saw...rolling off the end just doesn't seem to add up. It well may have happened....but I just can't imagine how.
What type of Aircraft was it....and did it belong to Winnipeg Flying Club??
Was it a student on his first solo to YWG?....like I said...from what we saw...rolling off the end just doesn't seem to add up. It well may have happened....but I just can't imagine how.
Doesn't add up. The first guy said 30kts favouring 13. That means the groundspeed at touchdown was like 20 or 30 kts depending on which Cessna. Even without brakes in that wind you shouldn't run off the end. If you had brakes you could probably land on the numbers on the far end and stop.
Plus why wouldn't they switch the active from 13 to 18 instead of to 36?
I think we need some more facts.
Keep the shiny side up,
SG
Plus why wouldn't they switch the active from 13 to 18 instead of to 36?
I think we need some more facts.
Keep the shiny side up,
SG
It's better to break ground and head into the wind than to break wind and head into the ground.
SnowGoose, is correct, we need more info not word of mouth..
But, atc can't be at fault, but it could have been more accomodating. Why did it switch actives? Why didn't it inform the plane, what is going on..
If a better runway was available it should have been offered, if it couldn't be offered, why wasn't it, why not let the pilot know?
YWG has seen plenty of accidents..
ATC isn't responsible for anything, like they teach you at Aerocourse..
If ATC tells a pilot to drop 5000' post haste, and the pilot does it, the pilot is at fault for accepting the clearance if something goes wrong..
ATC should be held more accountable, or have zero accountability but it should be more fourth coming with information..
But, atc can't be at fault, but it could have been more accomodating. Why did it switch actives? Why didn't it inform the plane, what is going on..
If a better runway was available it should have been offered, if it couldn't be offered, why wasn't it, why not let the pilot know?
YWG has seen plenty of accidents..
ATC isn't responsible for anything, like they teach you at Aerocourse..
If ATC tells a pilot to drop 5000' post haste, and the pilot does it, the pilot is at fault for accepting the clearance if something goes wrong..
ATC should be held more accountable, or have zero accountability but it should be more fourth coming with information..
You guys misunderstood what I meant when I said that they switched runways. They switched the active to 36...after....the crash....i repeat..after....they did not switch runways in the middle of his approach causing the crash...as if such a thing would cause a crash.
They couldn't use 13 anymore because of the plane and all the equipment at the threshold of 31. They switched the active to ILS 36 instead of NDB 18...the winds were from around 080, which makes sense why they chose 36 anyway.
But forget about what you might have learned at Aerocourse (however the hell that post wound up here), back to the main point of the original post; what actually happened to cause the crash, and was anyone hurt etc? If someone who actually knows what happened could post here, that would be great!!
They couldn't use 13 anymore because of the plane and all the equipment at the threshold of 31. They switched the active to ILS 36 instead of NDB 18...the winds were from around 080, which makes sense why they chose 36 anyway.
But forget about what you might have learned at Aerocourse (however the hell that post wound up here), back to the main point of the original post; what actually happened to cause the crash, and was anyone hurt etc? If someone who actually knows what happened could post here, that would be great!!
Ah good ole Lester...always quick off the mark to draw hasty conclusions. Yes absolutely it was ATC that caused this and every other accident in history 
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Here's an idea, why don't we wait for some accurate information before speculating, if we should even speculate at all.
Were those words small enough for you?
. Here's an idea, why don't we wait for some accurate information before speculating, if we should even speculate at all.
Were those words small enough for you?
ah, sorry Pie.. Mmmm, Pie..
But for now we might as well speculate. See if our theories are correct and we'll know in 3 years when the safety report is published..
But it's a good bet to speculate
"cleared to land 13"
"ok landing"
atc drinking coffee.. "ladeeda"
crash,
"oops, he went for 31 we should have told him something" back to eating doughnuts.
Back to the ATC comment, I didn't say we should blame anything on ATC as it is presently(they're not held accountable), but it would be nice if they could be more helpful.
The ATC people I've ever dealt with were great, but I'm sure some of them have to be and are pricks.
I've had a police officer pull up to my friends car on the highway(loss of oil, dead engine) and say "you guys have 30 minutes to move the car or I'm giving you a ticket" and drove off, the pr8ck didn't even contact a tow company or ask if we're okay.
Yes, we should wait for a review of the incident..Here's an idea, why don't we wait for some accurate information before speculating, if we should even speculate at all.
But for now we might as well speculate. See if our theories are correct and we'll know in 3 years when the safety report is published..
Blah, even though I got confused with the guy landing 31(not intentionally) when the winds were favouring 13, yes, facts would be good.Yes absolutely it was ATC that caused this and every other accident in history
But it's a good bet to speculate
"cleared to land 13"
"ok landing"
atc drinking coffee.. "ladeeda"
crash,
"oops, he went for 31 we should have told him something" back to eating doughnuts.
Back to the ATC comment, I didn't say we should blame anything on ATC as it is presently(they're not held accountable), but it would be nice if they could be more helpful.
The ATC people I've ever dealt with were great, but I'm sure some of them have to be and are pricks.
I've had a police officer pull up to my friends car on the highway(loss of oil, dead engine) and say "you guys have 30 minutes to move the car or I'm giving you a ticket" and drove off, the pr8ck didn't even contact a tow company or ask if we're okay.
CYYZ:
First of all, the accident was in CYWG, so I doubt you have any info on what happened being from CYYZ. Which if you'll remember, was the purpose of this post.
There are pr8cks in every walk of life, so saying that you have dealt with all good people, but you're sure that there are pr8cks in ATC is a fairly useless comment.
I'm not looking for the TSB report, just someone who was involved with the crash, knows someone or something involved, or at least heard something out of YWG.
Being from the geographical centre of the universe, I'm sure you have no credible knowledge of what actually occured in little old YWG.
First of all, the accident was in CYWG, so I doubt you have any info on what happened being from CYYZ. Which if you'll remember, was the purpose of this post.
There are pr8cks in every walk of life, so saying that you have dealt with all good people, but you're sure that there are pr8cks in ATC is a fairly useless comment.
I'm not looking for the TSB report, just someone who was involved with the crash, knows someone or something involved, or at least heard something out of YWG.
Being from the geographical centre of the universe, I'm sure you have no credible knowledge of what actually occured in little old YWG.
Sorry Blastor,Blastor wrote:At least no one got hurt.
just for the sake of ranting like Pot Pie and to save his breath.
"you don't have a location, so you're from no where, you obviously have no grasp of what happened."
"You weren't there, how do you know, no one was hurt."
"That's pretty useless to know your opinion that no one was hurt. "
I'm like Pol Pot.. I mean Pie Lot.
CYYZ....before I start my rant, I'm wondering what type of AC you fly and if you've ever been to YWG? (im going to bet your an instructor, and you've never left the southen ONT area)?????
Aside from that I hope noone was hurt.....
Cheers.
Aside from that I hope noone was hurt.....
Cheers.
The feet you step on today might be attached to the ass you're kissing tomorrow.
Chase lifestyle not metal.
Chase lifestyle not metal.
Correct, I've never been to Winnipeg. I didn't even bother to look at my CFS to see what YWG looks like, or to see if it has Pro's.
I wasn't taxing at the moment and didn't think to check 121.5 or Tower frequency to see what the problem was, to help out, I just came here to ask what happened because I'm self-centered and I wanted to leave the airport asap.
I've never been to De Gaulle either, yet we had several people comment on the collapse who probably weren't "engineers" and never been to the terminal.
Obviously we don't want anyone to be hurt.
Go read any safety report, they tend to blame the Pilot In Command, regardless of the circumstances. I just pointed out who's fault it was. Circumstances aren't that important because the result is the same, PIC is at fault.
I listen..... I care....
I wasn't taxing at the moment and didn't think to check 121.5 or Tower frequency to see what the problem was, to help out, I just came here to ask what happened because I'm self-centered and I wanted to leave the airport asap.
I've never been to De Gaulle either, yet we had several people comment on the collapse who probably weren't "engineers" and never been to the terminal.
Obviously we don't want anyone to be hurt.
Go read any safety report, they tend to blame the Pilot In Command, regardless of the circumstances. I just pointed out who's fault it was. Circumstances aren't that important because the result is the same, PIC is at fault.
Proceed.before I start my rant,
I listen..... I care....CYYZ you're a-b-s-o-l-u-t-e-l-y right!
Just for the sake of argument I will add: At least he wasn't trying to land a single-engine, light aircraft, in IFR conditions, without a valid IFR rating, with a Daytime VFR-Only PPL. OR He wasn't flying over the rocks in same aircraft, in MVFR overcast conditions in class B airspace without oxygen. Like some dumb-ass stupid dickh**# that flies around the Rocks.....
Flame away...
Just for the sake of argument I will add: At least he wasn't trying to land a single-engine, light aircraft, in IFR conditions, without a valid IFR rating, with a Daytime VFR-Only PPL. OR He wasn't flying over the rocks in same aircraft, in MVFR overcast conditions in class B airspace without oxygen. Like some dumb-ass stupid dickh**# that flies around the Rocks.....
Flame away...
All that and you didn’t answer my question…. So I'll ask another question - is English a second language for you? if so, I understand why I can't make sense of what you tend to write...it's kind of useless dribble, but maybe it's me and I have inadequate English comprehension skills.
The feet you step on today might be attached to the ass you're kissing tomorrow.
Chase lifestyle not metal.
Chase lifestyle not metal.
King Air Guy wrote:All that and you didn’t answer my question…
cyyz wrote:Correct, I've never been to Winnipeg.
No answer(silence) = no aircraft at the moment, 800hrs on fixed wing, thousands of hours ranting.. =PKing Air Guy wrote:I'm wondering what type of AC you fly
Just to be technical, yes, yes it is. English(mother tongues) is a second language to everyone.King Air Guy wrote: is English a second language for you?
Last time I checked no babies popped out with an English degree.
LoL, thats the tongue you should be able to understand since you're born with "dribble" as a first language, babies..it's kind of useless dribble,
PS, how did you manage to get involved in the rantathon??
CYYZ:
I give up...considering your handle is YYZ....it's appropriate. Hijack the thread, and try and make the rest of the country reading this, see your own mindless babble. Kinda like Southern Ontario politics. Nothing to do with the real issue (the crash)..but you've managed to make this post revolve around you...kinda like Toronto.
We didn't taxi past some poor helpless ba$tard in a hurry to get out of the airport. and 121.5???....WTF? This crash happened at CYWG...that is a international airport, with numerous frequencies, and yes pros. Remember...if you had paid attention to the post, you would recall that 13/31 was closed because the equipment was there attending to the crash scene. Therefore us stopping in the middle of our Scheduled service wouldn't have been appreciated by anyone you twit.
We have equipment, frequencies, Centre, a tower and even paved runways...3 in fact. Pretty hard to believe this stuff exists out of Toronto, isn't it YYZ!! Course you wouldn't know any of this, because you don't need to know anything flying circuits for 800 hours in your own little controlled world. Now go out and get a real job, and build some time, so you can do something besides rant for 400+ posts on a subject you know nothing about. That being aviation.
For any other real pilots out there, does anyone know what happened in YWG with the crash?
I give up...considering your handle is YYZ....it's appropriate. Hijack the thread, and try and make the rest of the country reading this, see your own mindless babble. Kinda like Southern Ontario politics. Nothing to do with the real issue (the crash)..but you've managed to make this post revolve around you...kinda like Toronto.
We didn't taxi past some poor helpless ba$tard in a hurry to get out of the airport. and 121.5???....WTF? This crash happened at CYWG...that is a international airport, with numerous frequencies, and yes pros. Remember...if you had paid attention to the post, you would recall that 13/31 was closed because the equipment was there attending to the crash scene. Therefore us stopping in the middle of our Scheduled service wouldn't have been appreciated by anyone you twit.
We have equipment, frequencies, Centre, a tower and even paved runways...3 in fact. Pretty hard to believe this stuff exists out of Toronto, isn't it YYZ!! Course you wouldn't know any of this, because you don't need to know anything flying circuits for 800 hours in your own little controlled world. Now go out and get a real job, and build some time, so you can do something besides rant for 400+ posts on a subject you know nothing about. That being aviation.
For any other real pilots out there, does anyone know what happened in YWG with the crash?
Someone I know, a reliable source, saw it happen. He did go off the end, was on the runway, and just kept going off the end of 13, then turned around to try and get back, then they saw a big splash of water from the prop and then the guy shut it down.
Don't know anymore about it.
Don't know anymore about it.
