Flair pilot program

[330heavy]

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/travel/news/f ... 5c537&ei=7

Any details on this?

[QKZXKV]

yuck!

[porcsord]

What could possibly go wrong, he asked, sarcastically.

[daedalusx]

Are they still doing the South Africa DEC as well ? That’ll be a great match for those nice stormy winter nights. We all know about the terrific braking performance of the 738 on short slippery runways.

[QKZXKV]

Are they still doing the South Africa DEC as well ? That’ll be a great match for those nice stormy winter nights. We all know about the terrific braking performance of the 738 on short slippery runways.

Slip n slide contest... in all seriousness yeah, this really could risk damaging this airline.

[Canadaflyer46]

TC is so negligent and useless that they unfortunately won’t look at implementing a 1500 rule here like in the US until someone piles one in. This is yet another reason why I’d never let friends or family fly on Flair.

[RoAF-Mig21]

TC is so negligent and useless that they unfortunately won’t look at implementing a 1500 rule here like in the US until someone piles one in. This is yet another reason why I’d never let friends or family fly on Flair.

Yeah. I share that sentiment. The EU has similar programs and have been successful (so far) in preventing a catastrophe. The thing is, that the theory exams and the interview process to get a right seat A320 job at 200 hrs is insane. If anyone here cares, look up the recruitment process at WizzAir. They're pretty thorough on who they hire...

However... experience is... experience...

[Canadaflyer46]

TC is so negligent and useless that they unfortunately won’t look at implementing a 1500 rule here like in the US until someone piles one in. This is yet another reason why I’d never let friends or family fly on Flair.

Yeah. I share that sentiment. The EU has similar programs and have been successful (so far) in preventing a catastrophe. The thing is, that the theory exams and the interview process to get a right seat A320 job at 200 hrs is insane. If anyone here cares, look up the recruitment process at WizzAir. They're pretty thorough on who they hire...

However... experience is... experience...

Absolutely. People who say ‘well that’s how they do it in Europe’ usually have no idea of how they do, in fact, do it in Europe.

[the_new_guy]

Didn't see the details of this yet, best I have is that article.

It'll definitely spice things up is my guess. However I do want to point out that this sort of program has been in place at sunwing for a while now.

Saying that, I am aware of "funny" stories coming out of there.

[Tbayer2021]

Didn't see the details of this yet, best I have is that article.

It'll definitely spice things up is my guess. However I do want to point out that this sort of program has been in place at sunwing for a while now.

Saying that, I am aware of "funny" stories coming out of there.

Sunwing does it, Jazz has been doing it for ages now and Transat wants to join the boat. While I don't agree with it for the sole reason that it helps suppress wages. I think most people claiming its unsafe are just unhappy gatekeepers that the new generation doesn't have to slug it out on the ramp in Pickle or any other Northern shit hole for 12 months or more, before maybe getting the privilege of getting on a clapped out Navajo.

[RoAF-Mig21]

I think most people claiming its unsafe are just unhappy gatekeepers that the new generation doesn't have to slug it out on the ramp in Pickle or any other Northern shit hole for 12 months or more, before maybe getting the privilege of getting on a clapped out Navajo.

Don't confuse "ramp job" with actually flying up North. Those are two different things. I spent 5 years flying there and I'd like to think I learned a few things. I do agree with you that working ramp is a waste of time, but that was then, this is now...


"Revolutions"... as Mark Hannah (The Wolf of Wall Street) put it...

[Tbayer2021]

I think most people claiming its unsafe are just unhappy gatekeepers that the new generation doesn't have to slug it out on the ramp in Pickle or any other Northern shit hole for 12 months or more, before maybe getting the privilege of getting on a clapped out Navajo.

Don't confuse "ramp job" with actually flying up North. Those are two different things. I spent 5 years flying there and I'd like to think I learned a few things. I do agree with you that working ramp is a waste of time, but that was then, this is now...


"Revolutions"... as Mark Hannah (The Wolf of Wall Street) put it...

I also spent about 5 years in the North without any ramp time thankfully. Did I learn things that I carry with me to this day? Absolutely! Is the North the only place to learn these things? Nope! One of the most competent pilots I know was essentially a poster child for Seneca. Straight into a Dash at Jazz after graduating and into AC about 2 years after that. Another 2 years later and he's on the left seat of the 320 and currently at cpt on the 737 after the covid fiasco. Sometime after that the training department approaches him to become a Line training cpt. So he wen't from flight school to left seat on the 320/737 without any of that sacred knowledge we all acquired in the North, I wonder how he did it.

[QKZXKV]

Sunwing does it, Jazz has been doing it for ages now and Transat wants to join the boat. While I don't agree with it for the sole reason that it helps suppress wages.

Nail on the head!

[fai_saudagar]

Any news on upcoming GS?

[Valhalla]

FAQs on the flight school webpage shows $145K plus expenses to join this cadet program.

[7ECA]

If it doesn't work out, there's always "trusted employer status" and then they'll just bring in TFWs. It'll be fine... no union busting or wage gouging here.

[FlyGiep]

Are they still doing the South Africa DEC as well ? That’ll be a great match for those nice stormy winter nights. We all know about the terrific braking performance of the 738 on short slippery runways.

Seems this venture was all but a dream for the SA DEC

[tbaylx]

TC is so negligent and useless that they unfortunately won’t look at implementing a 1500 rule here like in the US until someone piles one in. This is yet another reason why I’d never let friends or family fly on Flair.

Yeah. I share that sentiment. The EU has similar programs and have been successful (so far) in preventing a catastrophe. The thing is, that the theory exams and the interview process to get a right seat A320 job at 200 hrs is insane. If anyone here cares, look up the recruitment process at WizzAir. They're pretty thorough on who they hire...

However... experience is... experience...

Absolutely. People who say ‘well that’s how they do it in Europe’ usually have no idea of how they do, in fact, do it in Europe.

Our training department is quite familiar with how it's done in Europe and the M.E. The Flair program has virtually nothing in common with Sunwing's cadet program, some similarities with Jazz's new program but most closely matches WizzAir's and other European cadet programs.

Cadets will not be paying for their type rating and get the same pay as any other first officer. The program will help get new piltos into the industry and gives them a great pathway from zero hours to an airline environment.

A well-trained, carefully selected 250-hour cadet will be a far better fit than a 1500-hour average pilot who hasn't undergone the training or screening the cadets do. There's a reason that the European cadet models work as well as they do. The selection process is intense.

[canadian_aviator_4]

FAQs on the flight school webpage shows $145K plus expenses to join this cadet program.

Pretty risky investment considering the success of Canadian Startup Airlines (Yes, flair was a charter airline before but I mean passenger carrying airline).

[Dry Guy]

If you have to a pay lump sum upfront it's a cash grab. Any legitimate school will let you pay as you learn. Don't fall for this. You're going to be at the bottom of a long list of creditors.

[tbaylx]

FAQs on the flight school webpage shows $145K plus expenses to join this cadet program.

Pretty risky investment considering the success of Canadian Startup Airlines (Yes, flair was a charter airline before but I mean passenger carrying airline).

Why would getting a commercial pilot license be risky? The training you receive would set you up quite well to begin a career in aviation with any company, not just Flair. Succesful candidates are prioritized for employment at Flair, however, if Flair wasn't around they could simply take their license and work anywhere.

I imagine that there are many operators out there who would love to hire a highly trained and well-screened cadet.

[FL030]

It's risky because the company could go out of business before you receive your license.

[tbaylx]

It's risky because the company could go out of business before you receive your license.

Why would an airline going out of business have any effect on your training or receiving your license?

[Victory]

Why would an airline going out of business have any effect on your training or receiving your license?

It's interesting you didn't argue the going out of business part.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Why would an airline going out of business have any effect on your training or receiving your license?

It's interesting you didn't argue the going out of business part.

Cut the man some slack. He’s been honest and information providing on avcanada. You’re taking his words and making something out of nothing. You know what he meant. So just stop.