60%/longevity, 40%/status, category, from the sound of it and I’m sure because both groups were basically the same size, the top 500 were unaffected but the remaining pilots ended up percentage wise very similar to what they had on the separate list vs the integrated seniority list.J Roc wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:43 pmIMO, when we look back, this opinion will be closest to the target - multiple ratios and fences.rudder wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 8:48 amThere were just 2 ‘mergers’ involving Jazz(ACR). The original Austin Airways/Air Ontario Ltd merger and then the airOntario/airNova/airBC/CRA merger. The lists were constructed on a DOH basis (consensually).alkaseltzer wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:11 am
Do I have to read it? Or can I look at Westjet/Swoop, GGN/Jazz, Skyregional/Jazz.....
I will say it again - WestJet/Swoop was not a ‘merger’ under the definition of the ALPA Merger Policy. It was simply the resolution of CBA related matters.
There have been several negotiated/arbitrated seniority integrations since the advent of the latest ALPA Merger Policy. None were DOH.
I could probably write what the outcome will be at WJ/SW and not miss by much. It will be a ratioed list with potentially more than one ratio. There will be language that fences the WB positions to former WJ pilots which will likely be time limited. If WJ ceases to operate WB aircraft, problem solved.
None of this is rocket science. But often the parties directly involved cannot see clearly.
Not sure who is on the SW Merger Committee but the Chair of the WJ Merger Committee is actually just about as close as you can get to a rocket scientist. He has the right temperament, knowledge, and situational awareness to be both an effective negotiator and - if necessary - effective advocate for his pilot group before an arbitration panel.
I doubt very much that he will propose anything outrageous. As I said previously, take a good look at the AS/VX award. Except for the WB issue, it could easily be stamped on the WJ/SW merger with nominally different ratios applied.
FYI - the AS and VX Merger reps agreed on methodology (variable ratio). They simply could not agree on the formula. That matter was referred to an arbitration panel.
Out of curiosity, what formula did AS/VX end up with?
AS had pilots with a 1979 doh, I’m sure the top 500 had many years more than any VX pilot, if rudder is correct, he usually is, the top original WJ pilots will keep their number and the the bottom 700ish will keep relative seniority and maybe the bottom 100ish from both will end up with their doh intertwined.