Time in the Log Book

BALLB · Post by **BALLB** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:13 am

I have been reading with some interest the views of some of the posters on this forum as it relates to their experience and being hired as a pilot at Air Canada.

Time in your logbook is important. This tells the interviewers that you have a certain level of experience. However, your experience in an airplane is not determinative of whether or not you will be hired. There are many other factors that come into play. Your personality, education, social skills, deportment, desire, and enthusiasm are but a few.

Just because someone with less time, or less impressive time, is hired by AC does not mean that we have somehow made a mistake or they are not entitled to the position. Many of our current B767 Captains were hired 25 years ago with 200 hours and they do a fabulous job in their current position and have done so in the previous positions they held at the airline.

There is no magical formula to get hired by Air Canada. However, if you have good experience, a post secondary education, good references, speak french and english, a friendly outgoing personality, and show the interviewers that you are enthusiatic about the opportunity before you, you will probably be offered a position at the airline. If you have only two of the foregoing listed items ensure that they are a friendly outgoing personality and enthusiasm for the opportunity before you. It is important that you also demonstrate that you possess these qualities during your interview. Your interview is a chance for you to showcase yourself and demonstrate that we would enjoy flying with you if you are hired.

Good luck.

flyindude · Post by **flyindude** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:22 pm

Then how the hell can you explain EG from GGN getting hired?

anotherwannabe · Post by **anotherwannabe** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 2:26 pm

Based on the people I know who have been interviewed lately, I would say they are looking for the "gods gift to aviation" attitude. The cross section I've seen hired and PFO'd seems to indicate humility is not what they are looking for.

Jeremy Kent · Post by **Jeremy Kent** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 3:03 pm

I dunno... I know some super people who've been hired in the last few months...

BLZD1 · Post by **BLZD1** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 3:10 pm

Do not forget about the cog test. I hear it is very interesting! You could have a high time jet captain with excellent crm skills and great hands and feet skills that poaches the cog test and then gets the pfo letter due to a cog test.

HappyCamper · Post by **HappyCamper** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 3:20 pm

thats BS, thats why the interview should consist of 1) interview from line pilots. 2) Sim eval 3)training records and recomendations. Plus when I did the cog test, the darn pen didnt work half the time lol! 9 weeks no pfo, hanging on to the tail for dear life lol!

Front. · Post by **Front.** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 5:30 pm

if the pen doesn't work, how did u write the cog test? cause i've seen a number of people say that now ....

Jaques Strappe · Post by **Jaques Strappe** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 5:52 pm

BLZD1 wrote: that poaches the cog test and then gets the pfo letter due to a cog test.

I hear they will be introducing a spelling test too.

Spruce Moose · Post by **Spruce Moose** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 5:56 pm

C182 wrote:if the pen doesn't work, how did u write the cog test? cause i've seen a number of people say that now ....

Maybe they purposely set it up that way to see if you'll lose your temper over it

. You'd think they would have it fixed by now if it screws up people's results..

Inverted2 · Post by **Inverted2** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 5:56 pm

flyindude wrote:Then how the hell can you explain EG from GGN getting hired?

They've been hiring the creme-de-la-creme from Georgian lately. (See I do know some french) Im sure GGN was sad to see KV go too, since AC got a shitty reference and still hired her!

Pratt · Post by **Pratt** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:48 pm

HappyCamper wrote:thats BS, thats why the interview should consist of 1) interview from line pilots. 2) Sim eval 3)training records and recomendations. Plus when I did the cog test, the darn pen didnt work half the time lol! 9 weeks no pfo, hanging on to the tail for dear life lol!

Well, now that you have determined what the interview should consist of I am sure that you will be one of the first that they call.

Heavy sarcasm intended.

flyindude · Post by **flyindude** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:21 am

Inverted2 wrote:
flyindude wrote:Then how the hell can you explain EG from GGN getting hired?

They've been hiring the creme-de-la-creme from Georgian lately. (See I do know some french) Im sure GGN was sad to see KV go too, since AC got a shitty reference and still hired her!

Ah yes, KV and EG, the runway incursion dream team!

rusty nail · Post by **rusty nail** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:47 am

Quote from K.V. "My daddy drives a 18 wheeler and it's not a truck"What a joke.Wonder if daddy was proud when they almost cut off the 320 that day!!

HappyCamper · Post by **HappyCamper** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:04 am

seems like you need to know someone these days. Its sad to see good pilots being passed up on here for people like that! People slip through everywhere, just flew with a girl who couldnt enter a hold in a Airbus 320. My 4 year old nephew could enter a hold in an airbus lol

pauliewalnuts · Post by **pauliewalnuts** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:05 am

K.V and E.G?`Holy shit I am pulling out my application

HappyCamper · Post by **HappyCamper** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:06 am

maybe she aced the cog, hitting other airplanes is irrelevent, she is the top dog lol

flyindude · Post by **flyindude** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:32 am

HappyCamper wrote:maybe she aced the cog, hitting other airplanes is irrelevent, she is the top dog lol

...and she's HOT!...NOT!

Mustang Sally · Post by **Mustang Sally** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:58 am

Why do so many of these threads that are intended to be positive and informative end up being inundated with such ugly, bitter, negativity??

Slagging other organizations is lame.....but slagging individual fellow pilots is just low.

I'm sure AC would really appreciate that kind of professionalism, you must already be on the top of their list of people they want to hire (HEAVY SARCASM!!!). [/quote]

tailgunner · Post by **tailgunner** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 12:04 pm

I agree mustang sally!
I am also waiting for a medical date or the dreaded PFO letter ( its been 5 weeks since my tests and interview). But I have quickly come to learn that people indeed do learn from their mistakes, and that a screw up can happen to anyone. I have a violation from 7 years ago that was a simple screw up on my part. I learned from it, and am a better pilot today because of it.
So as an aside for everyone condeming these pilots....It can happen to the best of us, even though we do are best to avoid screw ups.

Jeremy Kent · Post by **Jeremy Kent** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 12:11 pm

I think that it was pointed out the last time a thread descended to these depths, but for anyone working at Air Canada it takes but a second to figure out to whom you are referring, even if only by initials. If nothing else it's very unfair to make such comments behind someone's back, anonymously, and when they cannot respond.

I sometimes can't tell if this an aviation forum or a kindergarten sandbox.

HappyCamper · Post by **HappyCamper** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 1:11 pm

I am sure most comments made on this board are from a humourous viewpoint. Pilots making fun of pilots! We all know getting hired someone is a bit of a lottery. The best may get called last or not at all, and the weakest may get called first. I think most on this board will be happy if you are hired no matter what your background, or sex, putting all the humour aside.

HappyCamper · Post by **HappyCamper** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 1:12 pm

Hey Jeremy i think mustang salley broke my sand castle and took my shovel! Can you tell the teacher please! lol

Jeremy Kent · Post by **Jeremy Kent** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:30 pm

Alright, fair enough... was just MHO for what little it's worth. Allow me to say only that said comments didn't smack much of the amiable, comradely atta-boys you suggest.

But whaddo I know? Man, that was a long flight... I'm going to bed...

Inverted2 · Post by **Inverted2** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 6:32 am

pauliewalnuts wrote:K.V and E.G?`Holy shit I am pulling out my application

Well at least AC didn't hire based on looks.......or skill.......or personality.....or references.....

popo · Post by **popo** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 4:46 am

it looks like some of the GGN guys are bitter,

what a joke...get a life instead if trashing the people you flew and worked with..
first you did not have the balls to tell them in their face...what a bunch of Jaleous hypocrits.
May be you should look at yourself first mister perfect I make no mistake..i know it all...wonder why AC is not calling you....!

Time in the Log Book

Time in the Log Book

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