Northern operator as a first job?
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Northern operator as a first job?
I’m thinking of heading north and drop my resume around. Which operators have historically hired newbies for FO and/or ramp to flight positions? I’m particularly interested on turboprop medevac ops (Keewatin, Air Tindi…).
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Keewatin's current contracts require 500 hours minimum. Not sure about Air Tindi Medevac, but they will hire you on a ramp/FO rotational position on the Twin Otter/ King Air at 200/250(not sure)
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Go for it. It will probably be the most fun job you ever have. Tindi and Keewatin sound like solid options. Wasaya or Superior have good progression within the company too. Canwest in Alberta has a good government medevac contract for the next 5 years or so, they have good equipment and hire a fair amount right from flight school. Northwright would be good too if you want the northern experience. Don't know how much low time hiring they do but there would be good progression with their diverse fleet
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I currently am with North Star air and working on the ground. I can definitely say it’s great here with good work ethics and working conditions subject to you being able to survive the cold depending on which base you get. The ground to flight takes about a year subject to movement but no FOs being hired outside thus the ground to flight list is being honoured. Currently, we have stopped hiring but will resume in March.
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Being a FO at Northstar sure sound like an adventure. You never know when you might have to hike, swim, or snowshoe back to the terminal building.busdriver010 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 4:55 pm I currently am with North Star air and working on the ground. I can definitely say it’s great here with good work ethics and working conditions subject to you being able to survive the cold depending on which base you get. The ground to flight takes about a year subject to movement but no FOs being hired outside thus the ground to flight list is being honoured. Currently, we have stopped hiring but will resume in March.
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Get your instructor rating and go to the airline asap. 1500 hr instructors are getting hired at westjet, transat, flair and other airlines. Airlines are fun, you get paid more, work less, and get travel benefits. You could use those to go explore the north on your many days off.
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This is simply not truecanadian_aviator_4 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 11:04 am 1500 hr instructors are getting hired at westjet, transat, flair and other airlines.
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I think it is. I know several who got hired directly from flight school as soon as they got their ATPL strictly from being an instructor on the above companies as an FO on NB jetTurboprops wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 11:39 amThis is simply not truecanadian_aviator_4 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 11:04 am 1500 hr instructors are getting hired at westjet, transat, flair and other airlines.
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Yea what do I know, sitting through westjet ground school while a bunch of my friends joined transat and flair, none of us saw someone with pure flight instruction background doesn’t mean anything I guess.Me262 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 11:43 amI think it is. I know several who got hired directly from flight school as soon as they got their ATPL strictly from being an instructor on the above companies as an FO on NB jetTurboprops wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 11:39 amThis is simply not truecanadian_aviator_4 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 11:04 am 1500 hr instructors are getting hired at westjet, transat, flair and other airlines.
Now i’ll admit flair did hire a few instructors back in 2022, but first of all they’re not hiring at the moment, secondly that was only a span of few months and they quickly put a stop to that.
You do you man, just know that if at any point the music slows down, your C172 hours is gonna look like a pile of nothing vs candidates with 703/4 turbine time.
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Oh, but it is. Of course not all flight instructors would get hired, but certain ones are. Airline hiring is a mystery.Turboprops wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 11:39 amThis is simply not truecanadian_aviator_4 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 11:04 am 1500 hr instructors are getting hired at westjet, transat, flair and other airlines.
Again, imagine being at a company on the ground when flying slows down. Suddenly, they don’t need pilots and their current pilots are now staying. No room to move up, so a year could turn into multiple years of not flying.
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Don't EVER discourage anyone from getting northern charter/medevac experience with a reputable operator. Some of the most valuable experience in my career was spent up north and it pays off in spades in the flight deck of an airliner. When it comes to decision-making and problem solving, particularly when dealing with a situation not covered by SOP, it's very obvious who the crews are that have that experience to fall back on.canadian_aviator_4 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 11:04 am Get your instructor rating and go to the airline asap. 1500 hr instructors are getting hired at westjet, transat, flair and other airlines. Airlines are fun, you get paid more, work less, and get travel benefits. You could use those to go explore the north on your many days off.
The largest learning curve (and humbling) of my entire career was going from the structured environment of instructing, to flying a Navajo single-pilot for a northern 703.
The flight deck of an airliner is NOT the place for a teacher-student (or babysitting) environment, but two experienced colleagues who work efficiently together.
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Nope. I have no desire to become a flight instructor. There are already too many FI out there that clearly have no interest on the job other than building PIC time. I don’t want to be one of them. During my flight training, my worst memories was flying with people that they were elsewhere mentally, dreaming about that airline job… Also… I already have travel benefits, and visited the north many times using themcanadian_aviator_4 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 11:04 am Get your instructor rating and go to the airline asap. 1500 hr instructors are getting hired at westjet, transat, flair and other airlines. Airlines are fun, you get paid more, work less, and get travel benefits. You could use those to go explore the north on your many days off.
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Hard to say without mentioning your hours (TT, PIC, ME)
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Well DM me the name of one person, just one, that got hired at Westjet mainline with pure flight instruction background. I’m genuinely curious because as I said, I didn’t think we’ve had any flight instructor that came straight here.canadian_aviator_4 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 11:23 pmOh, but it is. Of course not all flight instructors would get hired, but certain ones are. Airline hiring is a mystery.Turboprops wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 11:39 amThis is simply not truecanadian_aviator_4 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 11:04 am 1500 hr instructors are getting hired at westjet, transat, flair and other airlines.
Again, imagine being at a company on the ground when flying slows down. Suddenly, they don’t need pilots and their current pilots are now staying. No room to move up, so a year could turn into multiple years of not flying.
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https://flygenesis.ca/commercial-pilot- ... t-program/
They seem to have skipped the instructor part.
They seem to have skipped the instructor part.
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I've worked for Northwright for a while. Like any other company, it has pros and cons but overall it's a good place to gain experience. We hire ground to flight with as little as 200 hrs and a CPL. Whether you arrive with 200hrs or 500hrs you'll ramp just the same. Ramp wait time ranges from 6-12 months. On par with most northern operators these days... Only difference is the ramp work is lighter than most.
Progression ranges depending on work-ethic. work hard, get cool opportunities. If you're lazy, you'll fly some but you won't get everything you want.
By the way; Our main offices are in Norman Wells. Dropping off your resume might be tough unless you like a 17 hour drive from Yellowknife Via ice road. If you go through Yellowknife, drop it off at our hangar with the check-in agents. We'll hand it to the chief for you.
PM if you want more info
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My info is dated but I'd give Perimeter a try as well. I'm not sure if they still do ramp to flight line but it was great experience. Especially on the metro.
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Any info on Skycare out of Sioux Lookout? How are they in terms of schedule , pay , ?
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Any info on Skycare out of Sioux Lookout? How are they in terms of schedule , pay , ?
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That's a very good move for your career! You will gain so much experience and have a ton of fun flying up north. You get to see some truly amazing parts of the world that not many people get to experience. I miss it some days honestly.Tubkal wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 6:45 amNope. I have no desire to become a flight instructor. There are already too many FI out there that clearly have no interest on the job other than building PIC time. I don’t want to be one of them. During my flight training, my worst memories was flying with people that they were elsewhere mentally, dreaming about that airline job… Also… I already have travel benefits, and visited the north many times using themcanadian_aviator_4 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 11:04 am Get your instructor rating and go to the airline asap. 1500 hr instructors are getting hired at westjet, transat, flair and other airlines. Airlines are fun, you get paid more, work less, and get travel benefits. You could use those to go explore the north on your many days off.
I think that guy above was trolling a little bit, getting straight to a major airline with only instruction time is a bit of a stretch. It was a long time ago, but when I was at the regionals, instructors couldn't even pass a sim ride, their IFR was so bad.