freakin' radio rant.

Shady McSly · Post by **Shady McSly** » Sat Jul 29, 2006 11:33 pm

This has probably been brought up before but I don't care...

Whats with pilots calling up with THEIR ENTIRE CALL SIGN?!?!?

If your making a traffic call on 126.7 I don't give a rat's ass whether your aircraft is Canadian registered! C-FABC -> You can definitely omit the 'Charlie' and probably the 'Foxtrot' - we really only need the last few letters...chill out!

Choppers are bad for it but it seems as though it's ACTUALLY CATCHING ON!

Please...don't let it catch on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wallypilot · Post by **wallypilot** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 8:26 am

Many of us spend more time overseas than in canada, and through force of habit we say the whole call sign. It would take more airtime and more stuttering to omit that charlie foxtrot or charlie golf than it would to just say it.

chill out dude...it takes 2 seconds to say. this is the first time i have replied to a radio rant post, because usually the posts are just such a waste of time, and this one is no exception.

Different folks do different things, and there are WAY worse habits on the radio than saying your full call sign. When you've been in 15 countries in the last year or with the same canadian ident, you just develop habits. deal with it. In YYR, the tower controllers will also use your full call sign sometimes....force of habit i expect from all the foreign aircraft they get through there. It never bothers anyone up there.

-wp

Frostbite · Post by **Frostbite** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 9:15 am

oldtimer · Post by **oldtimer** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 9:35 am

Personaly, when flying into a strange place away from larger centers, I prefere to hear someone who has terrible radio procedures like you so poorly described. Now I know there is somebody out there that is less than proficient, either by stupidity, carelessness or simply inexperience, and I can take appropriate precautions. The biggest danger I have encountered is someone who can talk the talk but cannot walk the walk.

. ._ · Post by **. ._** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 10:53 am

I heard a Golf Victor Whiskey Tango today- much like a Sault College plane- Foxtrot Victor Whiskey Tango.

If the guy didn't say Golf, I would have asked the guy to go to company frequency. At which point, there would have been a discussion clogging the airways because it wasn't the Victor Whiskey Tango I was thinking of, and GVWT would have no idea what I was talking about.

There's a reason why you have to say the last 4 letters- because that's who you are. (Unless tower initiates the three, of course.)

The Charlie at the front doesn't take much time anyways.

I apply the rule a crusty old tower guy told me once- "Just say whatever the @#$! you want."

Roger dodger, over and out.

-istp

PT6-114A · Post by **PT6-114A** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 12:20 pm

take it easy on that guy he is just a bush hack he hardly knows how to use it him self cant beleave you are bictiching about it all the way up here shady. have you seen P.T.D lately

Fish · Post by **Fish** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 1:29 pm

Yeah, there are probably bigger radio problems than people giving too much information.

JohnnyHotRocks · Post by **JohnnyHotRocks** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 4:11 pm

get a life....

Shady McSly · Post by **Shady McSly** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 8:54 pm

Those were some bad responses.

Yeah, I don't really care what all you flight instructors say...it still bugs me.

JohnnyHotRocks · Post by **JohnnyHotRocks** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:32 am

If you get out of the north and start flying internationally, when you call ATC and give them the last 3 of your call sign, you'll probably hear:
"Canadian Civil, GXXX",
or they will read back your full call sign,
or, they will have no idea who you are and ask you to say your callsign again...

....once again, get a life

airplane rider · Post by **airplane rider** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:20 am

To add to the confusion, where I fly controllers will call the aircraft by the first identifier and then the last two. Example: VP-ABC would be called VBC. Screwed me up for the first while but now I'm used to it. You're gonna hate me when I get back to Canada and mess up the first week.

JohnnyHotRocks · Post by **JohnnyHotRocks** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:01 am

...excellent point...it's been awhile since I've been across the pond, but I remember being real confused the first time they called us by the "wrong" call sign....

Hedley · Post by **Hedley** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:07 am

It's amusing to watch people actually get upset about something of such tertiary importance in aviation as comm radio usage ... you guys wanna argue about brands of microwave popcorn next?

LongShanks · Post by **LongShanks** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:47 am

Christ, what have we degraded to that we have nothing better to talk about!

JohnnyHotRocks · Post by **JohnnyHotRocks** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:03 am

I am kinda partial to Presidents Choice popcorn, although I get annoyed when 1/3 of the bag doesn't pop!

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:35 am

*yawn*

It's "Cessna 172 Skyhawk C-FABC........"

That you should have a real problem with....

Red Line · Post by **Red Line** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:45 pm

and i think a lot of you need to settle down

PT6-114A · Post by **PT6-114A** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:46 pm

shut up fry

niss · Post by **niss** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:48 pm

When I plan on staying in the circuit I will say Cherokee Foxtrot Uniform Bravo Charlie is backtracking ... and then after that I will just shorten it to UBC, likewise when ever I make initial contact with someone I try to say Cherokee FUBC then after estableshed I use UBC, it dosnt always work out that way but atleast I dont say C-FUBC everytime I talk.

. ._ · Post by **. ._** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:16 pm

Red Line wrote:and i think a lot of you need to settle down

Nice one, Chip!

-istp

Right Seat Captain · Post by **Right Seat Captain** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:31 pm

istp wrote:I heard a Golf Victor Whiskey Tango today- much like a Sault College plane- Foxtrot Victor Whiskey Tango.

Back when I did my Private Licence in St Jean QC (at a school that no longer exists, Dynamair), one of the Cadets I was learning with put GVWT into a ditch at Bromont. It was in rough shape, and everyone was certain it was written off and done with. Then a couple of years later I heard it flying out of St Hubert, then later saw it at Rockcliffe with the same colours it had when it crashed.

Shady McSly · Post by **Shady McSly** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:41 pm

Frostbite touched on it earlier, but the other thing that bugs me is when people begin every radio broadcast with "And..."

"And traffic 126.7, this is Cessna Super Shithawk, Charlie - Foxtrot Alpha Romeo Tango....."

This one bugs me too and yet I do it.....

"And centre 'you can check' we're level 8000" - 'you can check'???? do we think the guy has a clipboard and he's going to put a check mark beside our call sign or something?

PS - hey JohnnySmallRocks - 'get a life' is an overused, boring insult...come up with something better or I will be forced to use it on YOU.

Fish · Post by **Fish** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:51 pm

No, seriously. Get a life. This thread is ridiculous.

And, incidentally I find President's Choice microwave popcorn to be quite below average.

oldtimer · Post by **oldtimer** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:53 pm

And,ugh, I ugh, like ugh, to, ugh, you know, ugh, use, ugh like, ugh, the, ugh, whole, ugh, regisration,complete with not only the , ugh, official.ugh like, words, ugh, but to ugh, you, know, ugh, like make up, ugh, kinda, ugh like, ugh my own, ugh, cutesy, ugh, little, like, ugh, moniker too eh.
Why say in 10 words what can be streached out to fifty.
I was in CYLW the other day and some clown required 4 calls from Ground Control to get taxi clearance. First call was just the ident. Ground said go ahead and he replied that he wanted to taxi. Ground asked him where he was and he said he was parked. Ground said where are you parked. He said on the ramp and ground said what ramp. Once that was straightened out, ground asked for his destination and he said a cross counrty so ground had to ask him where the cross country was too and he said back home. They finally determined home was YBB.

Shady McSly · Post by **Shady McSly** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:00 pm

Hey Fish - why do you keep coming here and reading the responses then?