Zoom Expansion

[Twizzler]

It looks like Zoom is expanding into bigger markets!! Should be interesting.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ ... query=zoom

[Mike]

Is it true they get days (SDO's) off away from base ?

[Rebel]

It looks like Zoom is expanding into bigger markets!! Should be interesting.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ ... query=zoom

My take on this article; there will be a new British based airline named Zoom headquartered in the U.K. and owned by the principals of Canadian based Zoom and the banks. Will they be able to combine their operations under current regulations is the question..

quote: The bank's investment will provide additional funds to launch a British-based airline for the carrier.....

[Twizzler]

Is it true they get days (SDO's) off away from base ?

No

[Twizzler]

It looks like Zoom is expanding into bigger markets!! Should be interesting.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ ... query=zoom

My take on this article; there will be a new British based airline named Zoom headquartered in the U.K. and owned by the principals of Canadian based Zoom and the banks. Will they be able to combine their operations under current regulations is the question..

quote: The bank's investment will provide additional funds to launch a British-based airline for the carrier.....

Maybe they will operate similar to Virgin and it's various off-shoots (America, Blue, etc).

Maybe this would make it more feasable for more Canadian expansion as well. Possibly sharing of crew and aircraft to offset each country's high and low seasons. Time will tell.

[Mike]

Thx Twizzler, I didn't believe it but rumors will be rumors.

Any idea how their schedule and pay is ?

Mike

[tonysoprano]

High and low.

[Z4]

Schedule High....Not
Pay Low....Not

Mr. Soprano,

Normally I wouldn't pay attention to anything that you post on this website, but this I feel that the truth about my company should be told. Since it is your objective on this forum to cause as much of a disturbance as possible, fill it with false information and believe that the only good company in the world is AC is nothing but classless.
Rather than sit in front of the computer all day long and think with that tiny mind of yours how to respond to every companies issues. Go back to j**rking off to the lingerie section of the Victoria's Secret catalogue because it didn't make you blind cause after all you got into AC with that eyesight.

[tonysoprano]

So why don't you prove me wrong instead of having a tantrum. Little boys like you shouldn't be flying big planes like Zoom's. So much for hiring professionals, eh? I was told by one of your coleagues what you guys pay and I am even embarrassed to reveal it. We were getting payed more to fly RJs than what you make flying such a respectable airplane. Our profession is going down the tubes because of the likes of you and all you can do is insult me in a personal way without knowing me, let alone understand me. Hopefully you represent a minority at Zoom. My group and I are fighting very hard to keep your profession respectable. Tell me, what are you doing about it?

[Flightlevels]

Tony you better re examin the post you just wrote mr. pot...lol good for a chuckle. In the eyes of financial institutions pilots are considered semi professionals.

[tonysoprano]

Fltlevels.
In the eyes of anyone these days we are just bus drivers. Never use to be that way. Ok, so enlighten me on the mr. pot. I stand by my statement.
Even you guys are doing a better job of keeping our profession respectable. That ain't sayin much for Zoom bro.

[WF9F]

I would be surprised if they paid as low as AC does for their new hires.

WF9F

[tonysoprano]

The F/O salary ain't a heck of a lot more than the starting salary at AC, assuming my info from two years ago is still the same. To make it fair we should be comparing the salaries on the equipment. AC F/Os make $130k a year on the 767. I think that's more than the capt. at zoom makes. But hey, I've said it before, money isn't everything. As long as they are happy.

[55+]

[quote="tonysoprano"]Fltlevels.
"In the eyes of anyone these days we are just bus drivers............"

Well Mr. Soprano can't say that I entirely agree with that statement. Just for the record I never worked as an airline pilot but in the course of my career have dealt with many of them from your airline (still do as a matter of fact). Lots of them have undergraduate degrees (business, engineering etc) and graduate degrees (MBA) at least those are the ones I have dealt with. A very good level of education for bus drivers......... better than mine actually. Try not to be too harsh on your lot

[tonysoprano]

55+.
I guess I need to clarify my thoughts. Since the 1970's(my first start in aviation) I have seen salaries and benefits deteriorate (I'm sure my managers would find a way to dispute that). Pilots are nowadays subjected to security screening more stringent than those applied to other airline workers. And, many passengers have learned to take flying for granted to the point where we are considered the same way. I guess that's our own fault for making it look so easy(?). There are many other "nagging" things but I'll spare you the pain of reading it. Our education apart, respect has lost it's way and more troublesome, seems to be heading in the wrong direction. I'm not about to start a low cost bashing here but they have had an impact on how the more traditional airlines operate.

[55+]

You certainly have some very good valid points Mr. Soprano and it would be hard for me to give a convincing augment otherwise. Permit me one observation and correct me if I am wrong. Your company(Air Canada, I assume that is who you work for) is trying to act in the domestic market like CanJet/WestJet yet compensates your CEO and the rest of the executive a salary structure/options that is comparable to Exxon Mobile, BP Resources, Intel etc, etc.

However to the point of debate, there is a healthy respect from all of us fares for the guys/gals up front who get that A320/B737/B767/A330 or whatever on the ground in say CYYT rwy 11 when it is 100 1/8 and the wind is 060 - 090 25G40kts. That I do know.

Best
55+

[chancellor]

Soprano your bashing zoom salaries. I made more than jazz fo's when I flew a C414. So who is knocking down the pay in this industry? Seems to me it's the pilot's at AC. Weren't they the ones that were objecting to decent pay at the regionals a few years back .

[tonysoprano]

55+.
Yes, the CEO/management compensation is an insult to all employees in these troubled times and that is one trend that doesn't seem to be changing. These are the same folk who approach the employees(pilots in particular) and point to the low cost models. Why should we work for so much more money, is their point(?), and so the negotiations become that much more difficult. The "standard", if you will, is being eroded.
Thanks for the support. Did that YYT approach many times in those conditions. That alone is worth respect.

Chancellor.
Well, good for you. I can also tell you that at $60k/yr f/o and over $100k/yr capt, we at Jazz(years ago) were also the best payed Dash 8 pilots in the world (argueably). And look at what's going on now. Look, Zoom is only a very small part of the problem where pilot salaries/benefits are concerned. They are part of a trend that seems unstoppable. Good for them, it provides them with a job. Those of us who see our salaries decrease are not as amused. I suggest that at some point, to be a stronger group, all pilots should belong to one group or association where we would fight for universal compensation/benefits.

[chancellor]

soprano,

I often think I was born a liitle late I would have loved to fly for AirBC good pay and respect. Unfortunately they opened up air travel to the trailer park. I agree but the way the flight schools are pumping out the lazy I will work anywhere for free students we don't stand much of a chance until a few more people grow a pair.

[tonysoprano]

Yep. Again, a unified pilot's association might have the strength to change some of this. I don't see it coming for some time though, if ever. Pilots have been divided and conquered.

[neophyte]

"We were getting payed more to fly RJs than what you make flying such a respectable airplane."

Hmmm, I wonder what bird Tony flies at AC?

Fact of the matter is that we ARE bus drivers, limo drivers, taxi drivers, tour guides, etc, depending on the stage of career. It is too bad some of us think we are more important than we really are.

That is not to say that I support the degradation of salaries in our line of work because I don't.

"Next stop, Finch station, Finch Station is next"

N.

[corytrevor]

I believe the only thing that would get in the way of a National Pilot Union is the ACPA.

[F-16]

Neo,

Any job can be looked at in the light you are presenting.

Doctors can be glorified witch doctors, people in sales can be glorified door - to - door vacuum salespeople, and the list can go on....

You are what you let yourself become. I completely disagree with the statement that we are bus drivers. As has been said before, the skill level, education, knowledge and experience are what separates certain jobs and their "glorified" counterparts.

When I go to work, I am friendly to everyone, groundcrew, f/a's, other crewmembers, etc. but the moment someone makes a remark about being a bus driver, all bets are off. The people that make those remarks (pax-wise) just don't get it, until something goes wrong, then they hope that the guys and girls up front have all the necessary training, skill, and experience to deal with the situation at hand.

It bothers me to hear people (industry-side) that are willing to throw in the towel, and not dare to dream of what could be if we work together - association or otherwise.

Nothing can take away from me what I have, and that's the training and experience required to be a professional pilot.

[BigB]

Tony,

Your unified pilots assoc. will never work......why? Two words, free enterprise. Last time I checked, the industry is unregulated.

Actually, there are two more words that describe the situation that counters your pilots assoc.....supply and demand. Until the supply of pilots can be regulated within the industry, your assoc. is a pipe dream.

[short bus]

Maybe someone should post the actual starting f/o and captain pay and the pay scale at zoom before bashing the company. Facts usually help an argument.