Ok I've finally had it.....if I hear one more radio call that ends in "...any conflicting traffic please advise C-GABC on 126.7 and 122.2, Hicksville" I think I'm gonna go crazy. Before we get into why it drives me crazy, I'd like to ask all you instructors out there where the heck it says to put this retarded tag onto radio calls?? Not knocking instructors, it's just that every instructor I ever had talked like that on the radio, and I figured they were the be-all and end-all of flying at the time. However, when I moved to NW ON and the world of sked flying, I found that numerous things were quite a bit different than I was taught (once got called a "circuit cowboy" for taking off in a direct crosswind that had gusts equalling a 2 knot tailwind). Again, no knocking instructors here, they're just caught in a cycle of "I was taught it so I teach it".
OK back to the stupidity of the whole "any conflicting" crap. The whole point of making radio calls in uncontrolled airspace is so people will know if a conflict exists. Asking someone to advise if a conflict exists is like asking someone repeatedly to stop at red lights....very stupid and unnecessary. Obviously if I'm conflicting with you I'm gonna speak up and do what I can so that we don't hit each other. Oh, and telling people that you're on 126.7 and 122.8 is pretty dumb, cuz if they can hear you, there's a pretty good chance they know what frequency you're on, and if they can't hear you, there's a good chance they aren't on your frequency at all.
99% of the sked runners/charter ops out this way have great radio work (Wasaya, NACAir, Thunder, Voyageur, Bearksin - except for some of the new FOs, Lockhart, etc.). The big culprits are the fire patrolers, bird dogs and tankers. Also, Confed students are bad for it (as are most students period), but I don't blame them cuz they're probably being taught that, I know I was. And Perimeter...well I'll let Pie Lot start another post about their calls. My captain joked today that if they ran sked in NW ON they'd still call xxx DME from YWG...lol...nothing against you guys, heard you have some SOP about that stuff.
Well, rant complete, continue with your duties. Please people lets keep the radio work efficient so we can all have less noise to put up with on those long days. I'll go don my flameproof suit as I'm sure there will be those who take offense to this post. I wasn't trying to offend anyone, just raise a point.
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Who started this crap??
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I figured I'd get a reply like that, but coming from someone in YKF I don't think you really understand how crowded the radio really is up here. Imagine hearing traffic calls for 25 different airports all within radio range as you're trying to squeeze in a call coming out of the flight levels. Especially on the "west side" of NW ON, where you get to hear most of the MB traffic as well. Putting the whole "any conflicting" tag on roughly doubles the length of a properly made radio call.
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Wow, this seems to be a hot topic that some take very seriously.
I agree that just saying "conflicts advise" at the end is very useless. However I am a fan people throwing in their callsign at the end. That way after listening to their position and determining wether I'm a conflict, I can call them back by their call sign.
So "conflicts advise ABC" is fine by me.
Either way, it's only 2.5 more seconds on a radio call that many draw out to long anyway.
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I agree that just saying "conflicts advise" at the end is very useless. However I am a fan people throwing in their callsign at the end. That way after listening to their position and determining wether I'm a conflict, I can call them back by their call sign.
So "conflicts advise ABC" is fine by me.
Either way, it's only 2.5 more seconds on a radio call that many draw out to long anyway.
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Jerk Store...that was actually funny. I told my wife and she now has another shot to add to her arsenal.
I think most people are missing my whole point, which is "any conflicting..." is a waste of airtime that could be used by pilots actually trying make a traffic call.
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I think most people are missing my whole point, which is "any conflicting..." is a waste of airtime that could be used by pilots actually trying make a traffic call.
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Obviously if I'm conflicting with you I'm gonna speak up and do what I can so that we don't hit each other. Oh, and telling people that you're on 126.7 and 122.8 is pretty dumb, cuz if they can hear you, there's a pretty good chance they know what frequency you're on, and if they can't hear you, there's a good chance they aren't on your frequency at all.
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What if you have more than one comm in your aircraft and are monitoring two different frequencies..It helps to know which frequency you just heard a potential conflicting aircraft broadcast on....Just a thought
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What if you have more than one comm in your aircraft and are monitoring two different frequencies..It helps to know which frequency you just heard a potential conflicting aircraft broadcast on....Just a thought
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Re: Who started this crap??
El Comat wrote:Ok I've finally had it.....if I hear one more radio call that ends in "...any conflicting traffic please advise C-GABC on 126.7 and 122.2, Hicksville" I think I'm gonna go crazy. Before we get into why it drives me crazy, I'd like to ask all you instructors out there where the heck it says to put this retarded tag onto radio calls?? Not knocking instructors, it's just that every instructor I ever had talked like that on the radio, and I figured they were the be-all and end-all of flying at the time. However, when I moved to NW ON and the world of sked flying, I found that numerous things were quite a bit different than I was taught (once got called a "circuit cowboy" for taking off in a direct crosswind that had gusts equalling a 2 knot tailwind). Again, no knocking instructors here, they're just caught in a cycle of "I was taught it so I teach it".
OK back to the stupidity of the whole "any conflicting" crap. The whole point of making radio calls in uncontrolled airspace is so people will know if a conflict exists. Asking someone to advise if a conflict exists is like asking someone repeatedly to stop at red lights....very stupid and unnecessary. Obviously if I'm conflicting with you I'm gonna speak up and do what I can so that we don't hit each other. Oh, and telling people that you're on 126.7 and 122.8 is pretty dumb, cuz if they can hear you, there's a pretty good chance they know what frequency you're on, and if they can't hear you, there's a good chance they aren't on your frequency at all.
99% of the sked runners/charter ops out this way have great radio work (Wasaya, NACAir, Thunder, Voyageur, Bearksin - except for some of the new FOs, Lockhart, etc.). The big culprits are the fire patrolers, bird dogs and tankers. Also, Confed students are bad for it (as are most students period), but I don't blame them cuz they're probably being taught that, I know I was. And Perimeter...well I'll let Pie Lot start another post about their calls. My captain joked today that if they ran sked in NW ON they'd still call xxx DME from YWG...lol...nothing against you guys, heard you have some SOP about that stuff.
Well, rant complete, continue with your duties. Please people lets keep the radio work efficient so we can all have less noise to put up with on those long days. I'll go don my flameproof suit as I'm sure there will be those who take offense to this post. I wasn't trying to offend anyone, just raise a point.
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IT WAS ME BIT*H!!!! SUCK IT!!!!!!!
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[/quote] The jerk store called. They're running out of you.
P.S. Not directed at you Bandaid, I don't want to get into the same trouble I had with IABD
"Really I heard you were their best seller"bandaid wrote:Jerk store,
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Marginally funny then.
P.S. Not directed at you Bandaid, I don't want to get into the same trouble I had with IABD
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Actually, the call sign isn't really reqired. The shortest method would be " I am at this height and i am here" After all who will really care what your ident is if you are going to be in conflict.
Perhaps you could step out of the world of the float plane for a bit and realize that most don't really care. If they are having to make a call it is probably the first in a while and No they will not read up on this shit. It happens. Now we can get back to the real problem of saying "thank you" on the radio. that is totally unneeded as we are all professionals and there is no time on a 2 hr flight for niceties!
Perhaps you could step out of the world of the float plane for a bit and realize that most don't really care. If they are having to make a call it is probably the first in a while and No they will not read up on this shit. It happens. Now we can get back to the real problem of saying "thank you" on the radio. that is totally unneeded as we are all professionals and there is no time on a 2 hr flight for niceties!
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El Comat wrote: Ok I've finally had it.....if I hear one more radio call that ends in "...any conflicting traffic please advise C-GABC on 126.7 and 122.2, Hicksville" I think I'm gonna go crazy: unquote
Take a fucking chill pill and wind it in. This has been debated before and the overwhelming concensus was that adding ...."conflicting" and your call sign does not mean the end of the world. Now that you are a wet behind the ears "Sked" pilot, you go off on a tangent.
There is nothing wrong with adding the words "conflicting XXX" to the end of a position report. In my experience and IMHO I have found that the word conflicting gets attention and the call sign confirmation enables the guy who was half asleep to call you back and confirm position, intentions, altitude, speed, a/c type etc etc. In other words, it is called "playing it safe" and if that means adding a word and a three letter call sign to a radio call, then go for it and pay no notice to the anal pricks like El Comat who suddenly decide that they are God`s gift to aviation. Let him go crazy on the next call
Take a fucking chill pill and wind it in. This has been debated before and the overwhelming concensus was that adding ...."conflicting" and your call sign does not mean the end of the world. Now that you are a wet behind the ears "Sked" pilot, you go off on a tangent.
There is nothing wrong with adding the words "conflicting XXX" to the end of a position report. In my experience and IMHO I have found that the word conflicting gets attention and the call sign confirmation enables the guy who was half asleep to call you back and confirm position, intentions, altitude, speed, a/c type etc etc. In other words, it is called "playing it safe" and if that means adding a word and a three letter call sign to a radio call, then go for it and pay no notice to the anal pricks like El Comat who suddenly decide that they are God`s gift to aviation. Let him go crazy on the next call
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Wow. Considering some of the accidents we have had in the past maybe it is a good idea to explain were you are and not blurt out a call as fast as you can so you can sound cool. I agree that some things don't need to be included but in the long run who cares. being overly safe is not a bad thing. being cocky and thinking your to good to do a radio call or spit it out so fast that no one hears you IS a unsafe attitude. Get out of the north and try flying into newyork and lax, controlled but still very busy and must listen to radio calls.
Never said anything about blurting out a call as fast as you can (I'd rather hear "any conflicting" at the end of a good call than not understand the call at all), I just think calls should have only the necessary info. If a conflict does exist, then start working it out. Sounds easy enough to me. Less chatter means more airtime available for everyone to get their calls in without having to step on people.
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