The media, in typical form and in order to have something to write about, are making a big deal about Harper not making an appearance at the AIDS conference in Toronto.
Who the hell cares??
Harper's absence makes *no difference* at all in terms of what might be accomplished at the conference. What, is he an AIDS expert?? Clinton and Gates' presence there are generating ample publicity, and obviously legitimize the conference more than Harper ever could. Adding Harper as window dressing would add nothing.
To the media: Shut up and write about the disease, not who's missing from the ribbon-cutting ceremony.
Harper absent from AIDS conference: Who cares??
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It would undignified for the the Prime Minister of Canada to share the stage with an actor who allegedly shoves gerbils up his ass for a hobby 
If he had of went to the aids meeting in the Big To ,The gayfest in montreal would have accused him of ignoring them.
Play in muddy fields ,you might just get muddy feet
If he had of went to the aids meeting in the Big To ,The gayfest in montreal would have accused him of ignoring them.
Play in muddy fields ,you might just get muddy feet
Re: Harper absent from AIDS conference: Who cares??
Your country is hosting 23,000 people from 100 countries.... I would think that it would make sense politically, (if for no other reason).... to be seen front and centre in front of the cameras supporting a motherhood issue.greykin wrote:The media, in typical form and in order to have something to write about, are making a big deal about Harper not making an appearance at the AIDS conference in Toronto.
Who the hell cares??
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Why wouldn't he take advantage of it
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Re: Harper absent from AIDS conference: Who cares??
....more things change, more things stay the same...Icebound wrote:Your country is hosting 23,000 people from 100 countries.... I would think that it would make sense politically, (if for no other reason).... to be seen front and centre in front of the cameras supporting a motherhood issue.greykin wrote:The media, in typical form and in order to have something to write about, are making a big deal about Harper not making an appearance at the AIDS conference in Toronto.
Who the hell cares??
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Why wouldn't he take advantage of it
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Sit down and SHUT the Feck up
The Washington Post, 1150 15th St. N.W., Washington, DC 20071 - July 08, 1996,
David Brown, Washington Post Staff Writer
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VANCOUVER, B.C., July 7 - The 11th International Conference on AIDS opened here today with all the ceremony and international flavor of an antimicrobial Olympic Games.
This is the first international AIDS conference in two years, and with 15,000 delegates, journalists and commercial exhibitors, it is the largest so far. It's also one of the more eagerly anticipated scientific meetings in years. Data on promising new drug treatments for AIDS, insights into the ways human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) infects cells, and the mechanisms of "host resistance" to that attack are scheduled to top the agenda.
As with previous AIDS conferences, there is also controversy. The refusal of Jean Chretien, Canada's prime minister, to open the conference caused angry protest even before attendees began arriving here.
The opening ceremonies were held in the cavernous General Motors Place, home of the Vancouver Canucks hockey team and the Vancouver Grizzlies basketball team. The first speaker was Doreen Millman, a middle-aged Vancouver woman who, like her son, is infected with HIV.
She was followed by representatives of four West Coast Indian tribes, who offered greetings and prayers; an Inuit rock singer and dancers; a pianist who played pieces by Ravel and Chopin; and the Vancouver Lesbian and Gay Choir.
It's traditional for the host country's leader, along with a prominent person from a developing nation, to open the conference. At the 1989 Montreal meeting, Brian Mulroney, the prime minister at the time, spoke. But Chretien, who was invited eight months ago to do the same, declined.
His reluctance apparently stems from pressure it might put on his government to fund another five years of Canada's National AIDS Strategy. The program provides about $42 million to pay for a drug trial network and prevention projects. The second five-year budget runs out in 1 1/2 years. Whether -- and at what level -- it will be renewed has not been announced.
Canada's health minister, David Dingwall, spoke instead of Chretien, although all his remarks were accompanied by chants of "Shame! Shame!" from AIDS activists. One of them waved a large Canadian flag that in its field had the ubiquitous red AIDS ribbon instead of a maple leaf.
Earlier in the program, when Glen Clark, British Columbia's premier, welcomed the delegates, he began by saying, "Nothing, nothing could have prevented me from being here today."
....Chretien likely also remembered the Fifth International
Conference on AIDS in Montreal in 1989. Three hundred members ofACT UP/New York, Reaction SIDA (Montreal) and AIDS Action Now
(Toronto) commandeered the stage for an hour, demolishing the
opening ceremonies. Later, they relentlessly heckled then-Prime
Minister Brian Mulroney throughout his 20-minute address.....LINK: http://www.qrd.org/qrd/aids/1996/conf.t ... r-06.27.96
Re: Harper absent from AIDS conference: Who cares??
... you may be right, but 17 years ago the stigma attached to AIDS fueled the anger. Presumably the attitudes on both sides have matured by now....JakeYYZ wrote: ....more things change, more things stay the same...
Sit down and SHUT the Feck up
The Washington Post, 1150 15th St. N.W., Washington, DC 20071 - July 08, 1996,
David Brown, Washington Post Staff Writer
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VANCOUVER, B.C., July 7 - The 11th International Conference on AIDS ...
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....Chretien likely also remembered the Fifth International
Conference on AIDS in Montreal in 1989. Three hundred members ofACT UP/New York, Reaction SIDA (Montreal) and AIDS Action Now
(Toronto) commandeered the stage for an hour, demolishing the
opening ceremonies. Later, they relentlessly heckled then-Prime
Minister Brian Mulroney throughout his 20-minute address.....LINK: http://www.qrd.org/qrd/aids/1996/conf.t ... r-06.27.96
By all accounts, Canada has nothing to apologize for, in its current AIDS commitments, so it is still difficult to see why Harper would not take advantage to point that out.
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I hope too many people don't use Vancouver as a reason to let SH off the hook - I thought it was clear we didn't want a PM operating to Chretien's rules any more. Chretien's absence meant Mandela (then Pres of SA) couldn't go for protocol reasons - look what happened in SA since Mbeki came in and said AIDS wasn't caused by HIV. Now the Pres of Liberia couldn't go to this one because Harper bailed.
Sure he was in Alert for CF Day and I have no argument with that, in fact I encourage it, but it wasn't a one day conf and he could have shown up later. He was front/centre for the HepC money the Libs wouldn't pay so he can't say it's Clement's thing.
[Clement is finding out that he only delivers bad news, no wonder the Irish Minister for Finance referred to their Health portfolio as "Angola - full of landmines"]
Harper is purely playing to people like this guy:
Sure he was in Alert for CF Day and I have no argument with that, in fact I encourage it, but it wasn't a one day conf and he could have shown up later. He was front/centre for the HepC money the Libs wouldn't pay so he can't say it's Clement's thing.
[Clement is finding out that he only delivers bad news, no wonder the Irish Minister for Finance referred to their Health portfolio as "Angola - full of landmines"]
Harper is purely playing to people like this guy:
So if you got AIDS from blood transfusion or because your hubby/wife was playing away - tough luck according to the Tories and especially their blogfans.The cold, hard truth about AIDS is that every single case – EVERY SINGLE CASE – can be traced back to a moral choice to engage in disordered sexual conduct. Every baby who got AIDS from its mother, every person who received infected blood in a transfusion, all of them can trace the origin of their infections back to a very human choice to engage in conduct judged for thousands of years to be harmful to the human race.
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The catholic church says....the catholic church says.....blah blah blah blah....I am sick and tired of people spouting rhetoric handed down from the great queen spider!
She’s built like a Steakhouse, but she handles like a Bistro.
Let's kick the tires, and light the fires.... SHIT! FIRE! EMERGENCY CHECKLIST!
Let's kick the tires, and light the fires.... SHIT! FIRE! EMERGENCY CHECKLIST!
niss wrote:The catholic church says....the catholic church says.....blah blah blah blah....I am sick and tired of people spouting rhetoric handed down from the great queen spider!
I never heard that before....made me a chuckle...EVEN THOUGH I"M ROMAN CATHOLIC 
You see folks...if people were like and listened to me...they'd go far in life.
Everyone takes themselves too seriously...
ANyway, I just saw the movie Kill Bill for the first time...awesome.
This concludes a quick strike eddition of Booty Bike SUCKAS!!
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IABD....go rent Southpark Passion of the Jew and watch Red Hot Catholic Love.........The priests want to change the holy scripture of vatican law and consult the Great Queen Spider!
She’s built like a Steakhouse, but she handles like a Bistro.
Let's kick the tires, and light the fires.... SHIT! FIRE! EMERGENCY CHECKLIST!
Let's kick the tires, and light the fires.... SHIT! FIRE! EMERGENCY CHECKLIST!
Do not confuse doggie style with doggy stool.Or you will be in the dog house
An old friend tried for years to get his wife to try it doggie style ,she refused,until they discussed it and she said "won't the neighbours complain if they see us doing it under the streetlights in the streets like dogs"
When you sleep with dogs you get fleas
An old friend tried for years to get his wife to try it doggie style ,she refused,until they discussed it and she said "won't the neighbours complain if they see us doing it under the streetlights in the streets like dogs"
When you sleep with dogs you get fleas
Not our problem if other world leaders cite stupid things like protocol in order to not attend an event of this nature.
"I decided to let the problem continue unabated because so-and-so wasn't going to be there for the conference opening." That makes a lot of f*cking sense, doesn't it?
The problem with AIDS is not countries in the G8. It is with countries like China denying the existence of the disease, or warlords in Africa intercepting money and/or medicine donated by countries like us.
Whether or not Harper is standing on the main stage will do absolutely nothing to alter those realities. (Canada is not allowed to advertise itself as a tourist destination within China -- so how are we going to affect their AIDS policy??)
"I decided to let the problem continue unabated because so-and-so wasn't going to be there for the conference opening." That makes a lot of f*cking sense, doesn't it?
The problem with AIDS is not countries in the G8. It is with countries like China denying the existence of the disease, or warlords in Africa intercepting money and/or medicine donated by countries like us.
Whether or not Harper is standing on the main stage will do absolutely nothing to alter those realities. (Canada is not allowed to advertise itself as a tourist destination within China -- so how are we going to affect their AIDS policy??)
Thanks greykin...this is a great post. Please keep up the quality contributions like these last few posts. I'm enjoying the read.greykin wrote:Not our problem if other world leaders cite stupid things like protocol in order to not attend an event of this nature.
"I decided to let the problem continue unabated because so-and-so wasn't going to be there for the conference opening." That makes a lot of f*cking sense, doesn't it?
The problem with AIDS is not countries in the G8. It is with countries like China denying the existence of the disease, or warlords in Africa intercepting money and/or medicine donated by countries like us.
Whether or not Harper is standing on the main stage will do absolutely nothing to alter those realities. (Canada is not allowed to advertise itself as a tourist destination within China -- so how are we going to affect their AIDS policy??)
Increased AIDS, global warming fossil fuel shortage and other world issues are realities facing us until the end of time...or until we blow ourselves up which will likely be the case.
These people trying to make a difference to the issue of aids are using this platform to reach people. Kinda like this forum, but in a different flavour. The internet has given everyone a voice...the only problem is...no one is listening to anyone else speak their point of view.
Live and let live, being kind, fair and respectful of others (in the analog world
) is all that really matters IMHO. One person at a time. Kingdoms rise and kindoms fall...that will never change. Being tolerant of others no matter what race, creed or disease is a path less travelled.F the politicians, F corporations...F greed.
I sense you are being sarcastic, but I do not see an explanation in your post... or I'm too dense to see it?I am Birddog wrote:Thanks greykin...this is a great post. Please keep up the quality contributions like these last few posts. I'm enjoying the read.
While worded less than diplomatically, I stand by the point made in my post -- we are not responsible for, nor directly in control of the majority of the population or land mass where AIDS is an out-of-control problem. And Harper not being at this conference does nothing to influence that (positively or negatively) either way.
Champ...turn it down for one half of one full notch. No sarcasm on this side of the screen.greykin wrote:I sense you are being sarcastic, but I do not see an explanation in your post... or I'm too dense to see it?I am Birddog wrote:Thanks greykin...this is a great post. Please keep up the quality contributions like these last few posts. I'm enjoying the read.
While worded less than diplomatically, I stand by the point made in my post -- we are not responsible for, nor directly in control of the majority of the population or land mass where AIDS is an out-of-control problem. And Harper not being at this conference does nothing to influence that (positively or negatively) either way.
As for your question...I'd prefer no politician be at this conference. It's not about polls or public approval that any politician really cares about any issue unless it affects them at a personal level.
You think any politician would be on a 2 year waiting list for a kidney like the rest of us mooks? Or waiting to get treatment for cancer?
I think you should rephrase your statement..."YOU feel WE are not responsible"...because most of us do feel we are responsible to many things...because now...there is a come back of new/old airborne disease called tuberculosis...and that shit sticks to your lungs forever!!!
So yes, we are responsible to aid those countries and people that contract any disease because air travel has made this world a lot smaller.
F the politicians, F corporations...F greed.
I’ve been told that part of the 'hidden agenda'
is electronically monitored butt plugs for promiscuous gays.....
I can't see any of the opposition parties voting against something
as commonsensical..as 'motherhood' as this kind of
legislation...and it will be massively less expensive than the
'butt plug registry' contemplated by the liberals!
...discuss.....
...Icebound?...you go first please.
is electronically monitored butt plugs for promiscuous gays.....
I can't see any of the opposition parties voting against something
as commonsensical..as 'motherhood' as this kind of
legislation...and it will be massively less expensive than the
'butt plug registry' contemplated by the liberals!
...discuss.....
...Icebound?...you go first please.
JakeYYZ wrote:I’ve been told that part of the 'hidden agenda'
is electronically monitored butt plugs for promiscuous gays.....
I can't see any of the opposition parties voting against something
as commonsensical..as 'motherhood' as this kind of
legislation...and it will be massively less expensive than the
'butt plug registry' contemplated by the liberals!
...discuss.....
...Icebound?...you go first please.
LOL....
You must be talking about the USA Congress.... nobody there reads any legislation that they vote on,
... voting is just a way of returning favors..
While it may be true that my political sentiment may be somewhat "left" of Harper's average position, it would be a mistake to assume that I automatically support everthing the Liberals may do or suggest.... or that I am on the left side of centre in every issue.
I will admit to this, though:
I am pretty cynical about the possibility that any politician whatsoever will be telling me the complete truth.
So I have adopted the attitude that I would rather have a politician lie to me and then do what is good for the country.... as opposed to the politician that tells me the truth, but does what is detrimental.
You and I may disagree on what is good and what is detrimental, but here is my right-of-centre solution to that:
However, since deep-down you are just another really nice guy, so I will probable have to be content with:
... until you finally see the light
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