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Buffalo airways
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 2:30 am
by itaynarzis
Hello everyone, does anyone here work for Buffalo Airways? I'm interested in learning more about the working conditions, specifically regarding the transition from ground roles to flight roles. Is it guaranteed that after a certain period of time, I'll be able to fly?
Re: Buffalo airways
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 7:19 am
by Me262
Looking forward to paint some fences? Get smacked on your head by joe himself?
Did the market really turned that dire to go work for red necks? I'd take instructing any day over playing stupid games. On the flip side I guess you can get to be a TV star!
Re: Buffalo airways
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 3:31 pm
by TeePeeCreeper
Me262 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 7:19 am
Looking forward to paint some fences? Get smacked on your head by joe himself?
Did the market really turned that dire to go work for red necks? I'd take instructing any day over playing stupid games. On the flip side I guess you can get to be a TV star!
For an individual who is still very green in this industry I would suggest refraining from making comments when you have little to no operational experience.
I’ve flown along side several Buffalo crews and they were professional, fun to hang around the fire base with and all spoke highly of their employer.
TPC
PS: It’s made for tv by the way…
Re: Buffalo airways
Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2024 3:59 pm
by ‘Bob’
All fiction is rooted in truth.
Yes the show is scripted.
Yes Buffalo pays poverty wages for slave labour that nobody would do if it weren’t for the carrot of a flying job.
In an industry that is seeing a huge demographic shift as well as a shift to better safety culture and higher wages and better working conditions, Buffalo is an anachronism of a bygone era.
Caveat emptor. There’s far better options out there.
Re: Buffalo airways
Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 12:41 pm
by WrightR2600
I’ve never understood the hatred towards Buffalo . Do they have a bad safety record ?
Have they had a fatal accident ? I think you stack up fatalities of Northern Operators I think Buffalos record speaks for itself .
I don’t know what safety means to the modern pilot but the preservation of life and limb was what I thought safety was about .
Re: Buffalo airways
Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 1:56 pm
by goingnowherefast
Simply not killing or hurting people is a pretty low standard.
Re: Buffalo airways
Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 1:58 pm
by mmm...bacon
262, you’re going to be a joy to work with in 20 years! The best flight deck stories I’ve ever heard in aviation aren’t about layovers in Saskatoon, Toronto, or even Tokyo; they all start with 4 BFIs as pax, a cargo hold full of dirty (fire) hose, and pop n’chips…
Re: Buffalo airways
Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 3:18 pm
by WrightR2600
goingnowherefast wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2024 1:56 pm
Simply not killing or hurting people is a pretty low standard.
Well that generally means they aren’t crashing airplanes. I know people think safety is sitting around talking and using acronyms. I think all in all Buffalo has a pretty good safety record and good way for kids to actually learn some skills .
Am I wrong ?
Re: Buffalo airways
Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 3:24 pm
by Donald
WrightR2600 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2024 3:18 pm
goingnowherefast wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2024 1:56 pm
Simply not killing or hurting people is a pretty low standard.
Well that generally means they aren’t crashing airplanes. I know people think safety is sitting around talking and using acronyms. I think all in all Buffalo has a pretty good safety record and good way for kids to actually learn some skills .
Am I wrong ?
Yes, you are wrong.
Re: Buffalo airways
Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 5:41 pm
by goingnowherefast
Re: Buffalo airways
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2024 5:26 pm
by ‘Bob’
I think not killing people is more a matter of luck than inherent safety culture. How many hours do they fly vs other 705s.
mmm...bacon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2024 1:58 pm
262, you’re going to be a joy to work with in 20 years! The best flight deck stories I’ve ever heard in aviation aren’t about layovers in Saskatoon, Toronto, or even Tokyo; they all start with 4 BFIs as pax, a cargo hold full of dirty (fire) hose, and pop n’chips…
Remember kids, it’s not your job to provide entertainment in the cockpit. That’s more of that old school thinking where they wear suffering as a badge of honour.
Re: Buffalo airways
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2024 1:50 am
by WrightR2600
I’m not here to defend Buffalo but not having a fatal accident since 1970 is more than just luck…
I never worked there but I wouldn’t trade my big piston time for anything but I know I am just an old man now shaking my fist at the clouds … I am irrelevant .
Thanks for setting me straight .
Re: Buffalo airways
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2024 1:13 pm
by ‘Bob’
WrightR2600 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 1:50 am
I’m not here to defend Buffalo but not having a fatal accident since 1970 is more than just luck…
I never worked there but I wouldn’t trade my big piston time for anything but I know I am just an old man now shaking my fist at the clouds … I am irrelevant .
Thanks for setting me straight .
Not understanding proactive safety culture or how odds work.
Appeal to emotion.
Emotionally immature resignation or extremely poor sarcasm.
More things in aviation that are rapidly becoming extinct.. thank god.
Re: Buffalo airways
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2024 2:04 pm
by WrightR2600
‘Bob’ wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 1:13 pm
WrightR2600 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 1:50 am
I’m not here to defend Buffalo but not having a fatal accident since 1970 is more than just luck…
I never worked there but I wouldn’t trade my big piston time for anything but I know I am just an old man now shaking my fist at the clouds … I am irrelevant .
Thanks for setting me straight .
Not understanding proactive safety culture or how odds work.
Appeal to emotion.
Emotionally immature resignation or extremely poor sarcasm.
More things in aviation that are rapidly becoming extinct.. thank god.
The odds ? Yeah 54 years of playing the odds … rolling the dice and seeing what happens . I think there is just a little more to it than that …
Re: Buffalo airways
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2024 3:56 pm
by Me262
mmm...bacon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2024 1:58 pm
262, you’re going to be a joy to work with in 20 years! The best flight deck stories I’ve ever heard in aviation aren’t about layovers in Saskatoon, Toronto, or even Tokyo; they all start with 4 BFIs as pax, a cargo hold full of dirty (fire) hose, and pop n’chips…
Yes I prefer talking about stocks and boring weather than how awesome it was getting smacked physically while working with rednecks. True story of some of my buddies building their hours. Luckily I avoid all that by signing up for the Air Canada plan via the military and doing some really cool shit with all its downsides, which did not included getting physically or verbally assaulted while in the cockpit, because that is real safe

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Re: Buffalo airways
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 11:52 am
by just clearing the trees
How much does a soy latte cost these days?
Re: Buffalo airways
Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2024 6:00 am
by Checkspeed
As someone who actually worked there, my recommendation is only take that job if you're obsessed with getting some time in on those old birds before their extinct. There is no other reason. Yes, flying big radial tail draggers will teach you immensely and make you a better pilot but there are other ways to gain that experience.
If you do take the job, your skin needs to be thicker than 3/8" tanned bull hide. Everything thrown your way needs to be water off a ducks back. If this doesn't sound like you, don't apply. If that is you, and you're still obsessed with big radials, you will learn a lot and meet some great people. You'll work your butt off and find out where your limits are. You won't make much money on the ramp but the pay isn't terrible once you start flying. It's been a minute since I worked there, and this is simply my experience, but I still know a couple people there and from what I hear it's mostly unchanged besides a few more turbines on the ramp.
Re: Buffalo airways
Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2024 4:17 am
by Eric Janson
My perspective for what it's worth:-
Things I learned working at Buffalo have kept me out of trouble when flying large jets all over the world.
I spent last Winter flying to Antarctica - my previous experience was extremely useful in operating these flights.
Re: Buffalo airways
Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2024 11:25 am
by IJNShiroyuki
Checkspeed wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 6:00 am
As someone who actually worked there, my recommendation is only take that job if you're obsessed with getting some time in on those old birds before their extinct. There is no other reason. Yes, flying big radial tail draggers will teach you immensely and make you a better pilot but there are other ways to gain that experience.
If you do take the job, your skin needs to be thicker than 3/8" tanned bull hide. Everything thrown your way needs to be water off a ducks back. If this doesn't sound like you, don't apply. If that is you, and you're still obsessed with big radials, you will learn a lot and meet some great people. You'll work your butt off and find out where your limits are. You won't make much money on the ramp but the pay isn't terrible once you start flying. It's been a minute since I worked there, and this is simply my experience, but I still know a couple people there and from what I hear it's mostly unchanged besides a few more turbines on the ramp.
Sounds like an delight place to work for!
Re: Buffalo airways
Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2024 12:07 pm
by Me262
IJNShiroyuki wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 11:25 am
Checkspeed wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 6:00 am
As someone who actually worked there, my recommendation is only take that job if you're obsessed with getting some time in on those old birds before their extinct. There is no other reason. Yes, flying big radial tail draggers will teach you immensely and make you a better pilot but there are other ways to gain that experience.
If you do take the job, your skin needs to be thicker than 3/8" tanned bull hide. Everything thrown your way needs to be water off a ducks back. If this doesn't sound like you, don't apply. If that is you, and you're still obsessed with big radials, you will learn a lot and meet some great people. You'll work your butt off and find out where your limits are. You won't make much money on the ramp but the pay isn't terrible once you start flying. It's been a minute since I worked there, and this is simply my experience, but I still know a couple people there and from what I hear it's mostly unchanged besides a few more turbines on the ramp.
Sounds like an delight place to work for!
But you get to fly radials!
Re: Buffalo airways
Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2024 12:27 pm
by Donald
Eric Janson wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 4:17 am
My perspective for what it's worth:-
Things I learned working at Buffalo have kept me out of trouble when flying large jets all over the world.
I spent last Winter flying to Antarctica - my previous experience was extremely useful in operating these flights.
Eric,
If Buffalo opened a base in your hometown, and operated with the same conditions, management, and mindset as now, would you work for them?
Re: Buffalo airways
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2024 4:54 am
by Eric Janson
Donald wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 12:27 pm
Eric,
If Buffalo opened a base in your hometown, and operated with the same conditions, management, and mindset as now, would you work for them?
I am not familiar with the current situation or conditions there - I don't do hypothetical questions.
Me262 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 12:07 pm
But you get to fly radials!
One thing I've learned from operating radials is to watch and listen to what is going on - too many people these days don't look further than "green indications = good" which isn't always the case.
Re: Buffalo airways
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2024 7:38 pm
by C-FDPB
Couldn't agree more. I did a group 1 test a few years back and had a real engine failure. Kept bringing up all. The warning signs to the examiner (left engine is low on oil, left engine is showing a lower pressure than the left, throughout the flight same indications.) Examiners response was, they are in the green, so we're good. On final on an rnav approach engine decided to shake itself to bits. My response to the question is it can happen and the engine usually will give you signs it's not happy. So keep an eye out.
Re: Buffalo airways
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2024 9:20 pm
by goingnowherefast
Sounds and trends. Still in the green, but unexplained changing is often a sign something isn't right.
Re: Buffalo airways
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2024 9:29 pm
by TeePeeCreeper
goingnowherefast wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 9:20 pm
Sounds and trends. Still in the green, but unexplained changing is often a sign something isn't right.
Agreed.
But it’s basic airmanship right? Let’s not attempt to re invent the wheel here.
TPC