Harbour Air Crash
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Video
https://x.com/robrichardson00/status/17 ... 0467483937
LiveATC Audio
https://vocaroo.com/1i5SKCJmbu4Q
https://x.com/robrichardson00/status/17 ... 0467483937
LiveATC Audio
https://vocaroo.com/1i5SKCJmbu4Q
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Yikes. Looks like it was forced into the air to miss a boat?
"Carelessness and overconfidence are more dangerous than deliberately accepted risk." -Wilbur Wright
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Scooting right along for a Beaver..
Slight left crosswind..
seemed to use allot of water
I wonder what the position of the flaps were?
Slight left crosswind..
seemed to use allot of water
I wonder what the position of the flaps were?
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Looks almost as if they were trying to avoid that first boat and didn't see the second one.
As an AvCanada discussion grows longer:
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
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That boat slowed and just stopped in front of him. He hit the boat and was launched over it!
I'm actually surprised we don't hear of more incidents in the harbor. Glad everyone seems to be ok.
I'm actually surprised we don't hear of more incidents in the harbor. Glad everyone seems to be ok.
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I'm not sure that was even a hop. I think the floats may have rode up the boat hull. I don't think the pilot saw the boat at all.
I'm glad everyone survived. It will be so publicized because of the location. Everyone else crashes their Beaver in the middle of nowhere and noone cares.
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I’ve taken off out of the harbour a thousand times and transient boats motoring through the take off zone is a daily occurrence, especially in the Summertime. You really have to have your head on a swivel and expect the unexpected.
I don’t know what was going on in the flight deck, but even if the pilot was distracted during the start of his slide and didn’t see that boat motoring along at pace in a straight line in front of him, it should have been a relatively straight forward 5 degree step turn to the right to split the whiskers and avoid that collision.
Glad nobody died.
I don’t know what was going on in the flight deck, but even if the pilot was distracted during the start of his slide and didn’t see that boat motoring along at pace in a straight line in front of him, it should have been a relatively straight forward 5 degree step turn to the right to split the whiskers and avoid that collision.
Glad nobody died.
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Glad everyone is relatively OK.
That's all that Pilots fault though.
It's not the "take off zone" - it's the harbour and on the water you have to follow right off way rules and avoid other vessels. He had lots of time to stop.
That's all that Pilots fault though.
It's not the "take off zone" - it's the harbour and on the water you have to follow right off way rules and avoid other vessels. He had lots of time to stop.
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Actually that’s a restricted area for aircraft operations only. No boats are supposed to be in there.
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I just re-watched it on a larger screen. Seems you are correct. Glad everyone is ok, could have been much much worse.
"Carelessness and overconfidence are more dangerous than deliberately accepted risk." -Wilbur Wright
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The restriction must not be very well adhered to as there are two boats in the video. Could well be the pilot was distracted and looking at the one further to his right and didn’t even notice the one straight ahead.
Being stupid around airplanes is a capital offence and nature is a hanging judge!
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There’s a better video shot from Brockton Point that’s circulating that gives a closer up better angle of the collision. It’s really tough to watch. Pilot was either totally distracted onboard with something else going on, or just didn’t have the experience to pull back the power a bit and steer behind the boat.
Amazing nobody on the boat was killed. Really violent collision
Amazing nobody on the boat was killed. Really violent collision
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Thanks for clarifying. It's not charted very well in that case. To be clear is it a marine exclusion zone? Are there markers? How are boats in and out of Coal Harbour supposed to transit?
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Well there's another Beaver on Facebook Marketplace in Surrey if they need one. Though I'm sure that will fly again.
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You know, driving distracted is against the law…….and if that causes death…..much worse.
I can get an expensive ticket for sitting at a RED LIGHT and glancing at my phone.
Just putting this out there.
Not saying this is definitely the case.
Miracle no one killed.
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Yeah, I wasn’t thinking distracted like pilot on his phone distracted. He was in a critical take off phase, he wasn’t on his phone! Let’s give HA some credit.
But sounds like he had 5 passengers onboard, and he would have had the biggest passenger sitting up front. People love to video everything in their lives. Not hard to envision a 300 pound tourist in the right seat holding a phone up over the dash with both hands video taping the take off and completely obscuring perhaps a shorter pilot’s view to the right?
But sounds like he had 5 passengers onboard, and he would have had the biggest passenger sitting up front. People love to video everything in their lives. Not hard to envision a 300 pound tourist in the right seat holding a phone up over the dash with both hands video taping the take off and completely obscuring perhaps a shorter pilot’s view to the right?
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I didn’t specify he was on his phone. Just agreed — potentially distracted.180 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2024 10:32 am Yeah, I wasn’t thinking distracted like pilot on his phone distracted. He was in a critical take off phase, he wasn’t on his phone! Let’s give HA some credit.
But sounds like he had 5 passengers onboard, and he would have had the biggest passenger sitting up front. People love to video everything in their lives. Not hard to envision a 300 pound tourist in the right seat holding a phone up over the dash with both hands video taping the take off and completely obscuring perhaps a shorter pilot’s view to the right?
And so….even if distraction caused by a passenger…….
What does “pilot in command” actually mean?
Just curious.
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altiplano wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2024 9:55 amThanks for clarifying. It's not charted very well in that case. To be clear is it a marine exclusion zone? Are there markers? How are boats in and out of Coal Harbour supposed to transit?
The area goes from Brockton point straight down to "the ball" a large orange buoy - which is used as a marker for the aircraft to know when they have entered the zone...and outwards through the shoal light. Both the VPD and the Port warn boaters to remain clear of the operations area.
VPD:
Coal Harbour is a high activity area for aircraft landing and taking off; operators of small craft are required to keep clear
Port authority:
The port information guide was created pursuant to Section 56 of the Canada Marine Act and aligned with the
standards of the International Harbour Masters Association. It contains a set of localized practices and procedures
designed to promote safe and efficient navigation within the waters of the port authority and support efforts to
protect the marine environment. The practices and procedures contained in the guide apply to all vessels in the
port, including pleasure craft and recreational vessels.
https://www.portvancouver.com/wp-conten ... et-web.pdf
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You mentioned distracted driving being illegal and you can get a big fine sitting at a light glancing at your phone.
Seemed like you were referring to a phone? Anyways…
Distraction can be a million and one different things. Sneezing allergy attack. A wasp buzzing in front of your face. A passenger kicking your seat from behind. The guy beside you having a jammer. Seat sliding back on the rails. You name it.
And yes, as invincible as we all are, any pilot in command can become momentarily distracted.
Anyways, I have no idea what happened, I’m glad nobody was killed, and I hope the injured onboard the boat make full recoveries.
Seemed like you were referring to a phone? Anyways…
Distraction can be a million and one different things. Sneezing allergy attack. A wasp buzzing in front of your face. A passenger kicking your seat from behind. The guy beside you having a jammer. Seat sliding back on the rails. You name it.
And yes, as invincible as we all are, any pilot in command can become momentarily distracted.
Anyways, I have no idea what happened, I’m glad nobody was killed, and I hope the injured onboard the boat make full recoveries.
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It’s on the CBC BC website.
Looks like he sees him and is trying to yard it off the water, which naturally digs the heels into the water which of course only slows a floatplane’s ability to plane and get airborne.
Looks like he sees him and is trying to yard it off the water, which naturally digs the heels into the water which of course only slows a floatplane’s ability to plane and get airborne.
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Abort…..
They have expanded the definition of distracted driving beyond phones.
Your comments are fair, but just watching the brockton pt video, how could that boat be missed?
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I don't know... there's a lot of boats operating there whatever pamphlet they may have put out. Fuel dock is right there. Marina is right there.
ATC clip seems to indicate the pilot was cautioned for the westbound boat being there and acknowledged it. I can't help but question why he went, or did he think he'd be airborne before reaching the position of the boat?
ATC clip seems to indicate the pilot was cautioned for the westbound boat being there and acknowledged it. I can't help but question why he went, or did he think he'd be airborne before reaching the position of the boat?