Not an accident— this time.

[rookiepilot]

This appears really dumb, unless I am missing something. Just took this screenshot (830 PM )

Night, SEP, right across the lake.

Edit.

So I look up the details and flight history for this callsign.

Multiple similar flights. Never above 3300 feet.

Is this a flight training aircraft? Who approved these flights? Even wearing life jackets? (Of course, highly like to invert upon touchdown, into a cold lake with no boats anywhere close)

Maybe its me. I was nervous crossing Lake Michigan at 10,000, with life jackets on, a warm July day.

[albertdesalvo]

I have done that same crossing many times single engine.... in 22' cuddy cabin powerboat.

Even on a mirror flat day, you're always a bit nervous. You go into that lake in a life jacket in October, good luck, you'll need it.

And I already have the boat airplane passengers would need to save their lives. Compared to mine, their odds of survival aren't great.

[rookiepilot]

Let's not be baiting a fight here, hm?

[cdnavater]

I have done that same crossing many times single engine.... in 22' cuddy cabin powerboat.

Even on a mirror flat day, you're always a bit nervous. You go into that lake in a life jacket in October, good luck, you'll need it.

And I already have the boat airplane passengers would need to save their lives. Compared to mine, their odds of survival aren't great.

Yeah.

I notice the more checklists expert crowd is quiet on this one.

Like another checklist wouldn’t save you.

I would never be further than gliding from shore in a single, at that altitude would be directly over the shore! Happy?

[rookiepilot]

...And again..

[realtor360]

I’ve seen some training flights that don’t always follow the best safety practices. Experts these days amaze me.

[cdnavater]

Yeah.

I notice the more checklists expert crowd is quiet on this one.

Like another checklist wouldn’t save you.

I would never be further than gliding from shore in a single, at that altitude would be directly over the shore! Happy?

No.

Must a fatal accident happen first before the expert crowd opens their mouths around here?

Ok, apologies for not commenting, when you first posted it, I thought that’s crazy! However I don’t feel the need to comment on everything I read about, it’s Darwinism, people take risks everyday and nothing really surprises me anymore.

[rookiepilot]

I would never be further than gliding from shore in a single, at that altitude would be directly over the shore! Happy?

No.

Must a fatal accident happen first before the expert crowd opens their mouths around here?

Ok, apologies for not commenting, when you first posted it, I thought that’s crazy! However I don’t feel the need to comment on everything I read about, it’s Darwinism, people take risks everyday and nothing really surprises me anymore.

[rookiepilot]

This isn't continuing well

[cdnavater]

No.

Must a fatal accident happen first before the expert crowd opens their mouths around here?

Ok, apologies for not commenting, when you first posted it, I thought that’s crazy! However I don’t feel the need to comment on everything I read about, it’s Darwinism, people take risks everyday and nothing really surprises me anymore.

Not talking about you.

Accident Expert Checklist Charlie has nothing to say unless its his thread LOL

Ok, but does it count if I identify as an expert?

[rookiepilot]

Same guy. Cold water….

[7ECA]

Is this a flight training aircraft?

A 20-second search leads you to the TC Registry, where you'll see that this is a privately registered aeroplane. Owner is an Ontario numbered corporation.

So, this time at least, no need to instructor or FTU bash. Just a private guy with questionable decision making - not the first, and certainly not the last.

[CaptDukeNukem]

You know?? I don’t think it’s as bad of a choice as you think. Yes it would suck to bob around the lake for an hour, but if you hammer out a mayday call and clearly this plane is on radar, it wouldn’t take long to get someone, boats or helicopters to your location. I’ve seen worse decision making.

[rookiepilot]

Is this a flight training aircraft?

A 20-second search leads you to the TC Registry, where you'll see that this is a privately registered aeroplane. Owner is an Ontario numbered corporation.

So, this time at least, no need to instructor or FTU bash. Just a private guy with questionable decision making - not the first, and certainly not the last.

With multiple flights every day. Smells like training to me.

[rookiepilot]

You know?? I don’t think it’s as bad of a choice as you think. Yes it would suck to bob around the lake for an hour, but if you hammer out a mayday call and clearly this plane is on radar, it wouldn’t take long to get someone, boats or helicopters to your location. I’ve seen worse decision making.

Possibly Inverted, and the first flight I saw, in the dark. Sounds fun.

[Dry Guy]

With multiple flights every day. Smells like training to me.

Seems like smuggling.

[7ECA]

With multiple flights every day. Smells like training to me.

Seems like smuggling.

Smuggling is more likely - but you'd have to be monumentally stupid to do repeated milk runs over the Great Lakes into downtown Toronto, and expect that it would go unnoticed... Although, maybe that's the point because "they" takeoff close to the US border, haul ass across the lake and then land in the big smoke; all on radar. Hmmm... small quantities of drugs or guns? I'd assume the latter, although either way if the plane goes down in the lake the cargo disappears and there's plausible deniability.

As for the continued assertion that it is "training" in a privately registered aeroplane, what possible training would you suggest is occurring here on direct flights across the lake?

[Tbayer2021]

With multiple flights every day. Smells like training to me.

Seems like smuggling.

Smuggling is more likely - but you'd have to be monumentally stupid to do repeated milk runs over the Great Lakes into downtown Toronto, and expect that it would go unnoticed... Although, maybe that's the point because "they" takeoff close to the US border, haul ass across the lake and then land in the big smoke; all on radar. Hmmm... small quantities of drugs or guns? I'd assume the latter, although either way if the plane goes down in the lake the cargo disappears and there's plausible deniability.

As for the continued assertion that it is "training" in a privately registered aeroplane, what possible training would you suggest is occurring here on direct flights across the lake?

Clearly, the pilot is doing runs for Hope Air.

[digits_]

We're going to publicly shame pilots with their actual call sign now because they are doing something perfectly legal that you don't happen to agree with?

Note that the presence of water has no significant influence on the chance of having an accident. It might affect the consequences in case an accident happens, but then again, is this really more risky than flying single engine planes commercially up north? In -30 degrees or at 500 ft above the bush? That happens daily as well.

Let's put the pitchforks away, shall we? Insinuations of smuggling in combination with the posted call sign are way out of line as well. If you're worried about that, call customs or the cops and let them deal with it.

[Pratt X 3]

Obvious gang activity. They even tagged the sky with their gang sign. Fear the 26%'ers!!!
https://www.flightaware.com/live/flight ... /CYTZ/CYQA

[braaap Braap]

Smuggling?! You gotta be kidding me. Turn off the true crime shows and get outside. Who would be dumb enough to be so blatant just to save an hour on the QEW. Listen to the liveatc and like digits_ said, stop trying to paint people as criminals because their risk tolerance is higher than yours.

[rookiepilot]

With multiple flights every day. Smells like training to me.

Seems like smuggling.

Smuggling is more likely - but you'd have to be monumentally stupid to do repeated milk runs over the Great Lakes into downtown Toronto, and expect that it would go unnoticed... Although, maybe that's the point because "they" takeoff close to the US border, haul ass across the lake and then land in the big smoke; all on radar. Hmmm... small quantities of drugs or guns? I'd assume the latter, although either way if the plane goes down in the lake the cargo disappears and there's plausible deniability.

As for the continued assertion that it is "training" in a privately registered aeroplane, what possible training would you suggest is occurring here on direct flights across the lake?

Pull up the flights on Flightradar24

[rookiepilot]

Seems like smuggling.

Smuggling is more likely - but you'd have to be monumentally stupid to do repeated milk runs over the Great Lakes into downtown Toronto, and expect that it would go unnoticed... Although, maybe that's the point because "they" takeoff close to the US border, haul ass across the lake and then land in the big smoke; all on radar. Hmmm... small quantities of drugs or guns? I'd assume the latter, although either way if the plane goes down in the lake the cargo disappears and there's plausible deniability.

As for the continued assertion that it is "training" in a privately registered aeroplane, what possible training would you suggest is occurring here on direct flights across the lake?

Clearly, the pilot is doing runs for Hope Air.

No….

[rookiepilot]

Smuggling?! You gotta be kidding me. Turn off the true crime shows and get outside. Who would be dumb enough to be so blatant just to save an hour on the QEW. Listen to the liveatc and like digits_ said, stop trying to paint people as criminals because their risk tolerance is higher than yours.

Totally unnecessary except saves a few clicks of the Hobbs.

[Pratt X 3]

Hey rookie! What you think about this guy?
https://www.flightaware.com/live/flight ... /KBRO/MMUN