ATPL Minimum Requirements

[aholenstein]

So I am looking at ATPL minimums... I know about the 25hr Night XC PIC and the 75hr of Instrument, but i wasn't aware of the 100hr of Night Total Time. Is this something that has changed recently? Or has this always been the minimums? Just took me by surprise when I read it, that's all...

https://tc.canada.ca/en/corporate-servi ... ars#421_34

(4) Experience
An applicant shall have met the training requirements for the issue of a Commercial Pilot Licence - Aeroplane that is not restricted to daylight flying and completed a minimum of 1500 hours total flight time of which a minimum of 900 hours shall have been completed in aeroplanes. The total flight time shall include a minimum of:
(amended 2000/09/01)

(a) 250 hours pilot-in-command flight time in aeroplanes which shall include where applicable, a maximum of 100 hours pilot-in-command under supervision flight time completed in accordance with Section 421.11. The pilot-in-command and/or pilot-in-command under supervision flight time shall include a minimum of 100 hours cross-country flight time of which a minimum of 25 hours shall have been by night;
(b) 100 hours night flight time as pilot-in-command or as co-pilot of which a minimum of 30 hours shall have been acquired in aeroplanes;
(c) 100 additional hours cross-country flight time as pilot-in-command or 200 hours as co-pilot or any combination thereof, with flight time calculated in accordance with section 421.10. Flight time as pilot-in-command may be part of the 250 hours pilot-in-command flight time specified in paragraph (a); and
(amended 2005/12/01)
(d) 75 hours instrument flight time of which a maximum of 25 hours may have been acquired in approved instrument ground trainers and a maximum of 35 hours may have been acquired in helicopters. Instrument ground time shall not be applied toward the total 1500 hour flight time requirement.

[lowoleo22]

The total flight time shall include a minimum of:
(amended 2000/09/01)

Got your answer right there. Been that way since at least the year 2000. Best to get your 25hr night PIC x-cntry before moving on to your first 703/705 job. The total night hours you can build at the job, but you don't want to be in an airline seat still having to go rent a 152 from your local flight school trying to get your PIC hours.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Or maybe his airline seat can support him paying for the 25 night x-country.

Probably not…

Yet???

So do your time building at night. You only gotta go 25Nm to call it cross country. That’s like driving to Hamilton from Toronto.

And there’s so many lights on the ground, it’ll feel like day VFR,

[goldeneagle]

but i wasn't aware of the 100hr of Night Total Time. Is this something that has changed recently?

The requirement for 100 night was there when I got my atpl back in the 80's. It was the hold up for a lot of folks that started out in the biz flying floaters where you cant legally get night time. I knew a few folks with multiple thousands in the book that took a job flying night freight in a 'ho just to get the 100 night so they could get that atpl.

[cdnavater]

Medevacs will get you your night time in a hurry, I had more night than day when my ATPL was signed off.

[Me262]

Or maybe his airline seat can support him paying for the 25 night x-country.

Probably not…

Yet???

So do your time building at night. You only gotta go 25Nm to call it cross country. That’s like driving to Hamilton from Toronto.

And there’s so many lights on the ground, it’ll feel like day VFR,

Retarded requirements that add nothing to the ATPL experience compared to EASA 500hrs PICUS and 1300hrs logged in the right seat of the aircraft you are going to upgrade to capt to anyway. Good job TC

[‘Bob’]

I know of several Air France pilots who would have benefited from some solo time in a Cessna 172.

[TeePeeCreeper]

Or maybe his airline seat can support him paying for the 25 night x-country.

Probably not…

Yet???

So do your time building at night. You only gotta go 25Nm to call it cross country. That’s like driving to Hamilton from Toronto.

And there’s so many lights on the ground, it’ll feel like day VFR,

Retarded requirements that add nothing to the ATPL experience compared to EASA 500hrs PICUS and 1300hrs logged in the right seat of the aircraft you are going to upgrade to capt to anyway. Good job TC

It’s become so easy to express a gripe and stereotype an entire organization. *Disclaimer* I am also occasionally guilty of doing so.

Honest question;

If you genuinely feel the way that you do about “TC” why not apply to work for the regulator and contribute to positive change(s)? It’s rather easy to allow a few bad apples to ruin the bushel.

Just a thought…

TPC

[Me262]

Or maybe his airline seat can support him paying for the 25 night x-country.

Probably not…

Yet???

So do your time building at night. You only gotta go 25Nm to call it cross country. That’s like driving to Hamilton from Toronto.

And there’s so many lights on the ground, it’ll feel like day VFR,

Retarded requirements that add nothing to the ATPL experience compared to EASA 500hrs PICUS and 1300hrs logged in the right seat of the aircraft you are going to upgrade to capt to anyway. Good job TC

It’s become so easy to express a gripe and stereotype an entire organization. *Disclaimer* I am also occasionally guilty of doing so.

Honest question;

If you genuinely feel the way that you do about “TC” why not apply to work for the regulator and contribute to positive change(s)? It’s rather easy to allow a few bad apples to ruin the bushel.

Just a thought…

TPC

Because just like in any state organization (and even corporations), you are just a number and your opinion or feedback doesn't matter until you reach the top. If you are really lucky you get the "It sounds like a good idea, I'll push it to the top, thank you", and have it thrown out a few minutes/hours/days later in the trash.

[TeePeeCreeper]

Retarded requirements that add nothing to the ATPL experience compared to EASA 500hrs PICUS and 1300hrs logged in the right seat of the aircraft you are going to upgrade to capt to anyway. Good job TC

It’s become so easy to express a gripe and stereotype an entire organization. *Disclaimer* I am also occasionally guilty of doing so.

Honest question;

If you genuinely feel the way that you do about “TC” why not apply to work for the regulator and contribute to positive change(s)? It’s rather easy to allow a few bad apples to ruin the bushel.

Just a thought…

TPC

Because just like in any state organization (and even corporations), you are just a number and your opinion or feedback doesn't matter until you reach the top. If you are really lucky you get the "It sounds like a good idea, I'll push it to the top, thank you", and have it thrown out a few minutes/hours/days later in the trash.

Out of curiosity…

How many “state organizations (and even corporations)” have you worked for?

Brother, one would almost think you’d once worked for the regulator… I mean you speak with such conviction! (we both know that you are talking out of your ass)


Show us on the doll Me262 where the big bad TC head molester touched you!

TPC

[CaptDukeNukem]

It’s become so easy to express a gripe and stereotype an entire organization. *Disclaimer* I am also occasionally guilty of doing so.

Honest question;

If you genuinely feel the way that you do about “TC” why not apply to work for the regulator and contribute to positive change(s)? It’s rather easy to allow a few bad apples to ruin the bushel.

Just a thought…

TPC

Because just like in any state organization (and even corporations), you are just a number and your opinion or feedback doesn't matter until you reach the top. If you are really lucky you get the "It sounds like a good idea, I'll push it to the top, thank you", and have it thrown out a few minutes/hours/days later in the trash.

Out of curiosity…

How many “state organizations (and even corporations)” have you worked for?

Brother, one would almost think you’d once worked for the regulator… I mean you speak with such conviction! (we both know that you are talking out of your ass)


Show us on the doll Me262 where the big bad TC head molester touched you!

TPC

lol.

I’m gonna guess only one. Jazz