2023 CBAA Study
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2023 CBAA Study
Just curious if anyone is able to share the CBAA survey from last year?
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Re: 2023 CBAA Study
In this day and age, those numbers are almost a hindrance to negotiations. Essentially, your best bet is to make connections with people flying similar metal in your area.
Discuss with them what they have negotiated, to give you a baseline. If you live in Gander, St John's, Moncton, Halifax, or someother place that has limited experience, likely supply and demand will work in your favour. If you see a revolving door, with a position that is constantly open every 6 to 12 months, I would recommend avoiding.
Once you have a localized idea of what the market is, you can now develop a negotiation script with the operator you want to work with. It should include elements beyond just salary to include:
- Training agreements (preferably none, but good luck)
- On call terms
- Ability to self contract
- Crewing minimums
- Vacation allowance
- Charter (no charter/charter rates in addition to salary, etc).
Getting these points in writing will help you reinforce your position and make you much happier as a flight frew member. If they aren't OK putting these down in your employment agreement, don't sign anything. You essentially are creating your tentative agreement, and the looser the language on their end, the more likely you are going to get run over. Things almost always change from the verbal agreements at the hiring desk, which makes it a very one sided relationship, when you have nothing to fall back on. Always take things to a lawyer if unsure of the language or scope of what you are signing.
Lastly, bringing in the CBAA salary numbers does next to nothing in a salary negotiation, because it shows the only research you did was to download a pdf of last years salaries, to which the operator likely submitted a sandbagged version of their salary package. You have already just shot yourself in the foot. Lots of copies of old numbers floating around, and news flash, they haven't changed much. I'm always disappointed reading them. Even the NBAA ones aren't much to look at, but then you hear about guys making 400k USD, with 401ks topped up, with each jet staffed with 6 crew. CBAA and NBAA articles will not promote those cases.
I did not participate in this year's CBAA survey, so I don't have the numbers again, but realistically you can do better just networking. It'll look better on you when you can talk local operations, versus national averages.
Discuss with them what they have negotiated, to give you a baseline. If you live in Gander, St John's, Moncton, Halifax, or someother place that has limited experience, likely supply and demand will work in your favour. If you see a revolving door, with a position that is constantly open every 6 to 12 months, I would recommend avoiding.
Once you have a localized idea of what the market is, you can now develop a negotiation script with the operator you want to work with. It should include elements beyond just salary to include:
- Training agreements (preferably none, but good luck)
- On call terms
- Ability to self contract
- Crewing minimums
- Vacation allowance
- Charter (no charter/charter rates in addition to salary, etc).
Getting these points in writing will help you reinforce your position and make you much happier as a flight frew member. If they aren't OK putting these down in your employment agreement, don't sign anything. You essentially are creating your tentative agreement, and the looser the language on their end, the more likely you are going to get run over. Things almost always change from the verbal agreements at the hiring desk, which makes it a very one sided relationship, when you have nothing to fall back on. Always take things to a lawyer if unsure of the language or scope of what you are signing.
Lastly, bringing in the CBAA salary numbers does next to nothing in a salary negotiation, because it shows the only research you did was to download a pdf of last years salaries, to which the operator likely submitted a sandbagged version of their salary package. You have already just shot yourself in the foot. Lots of copies of old numbers floating around, and news flash, they haven't changed much. I'm always disappointed reading them. Even the NBAA ones aren't much to look at, but then you hear about guys making 400k USD, with 401ks topped up, with each jet staffed with 6 crew. CBAA and NBAA articles will not promote those cases.
I did not participate in this year's CBAA survey, so I don't have the numbers again, but realistically you can do better just networking. It'll look better on you when you can talk local operations, versus national averages.
