Jack Layton is one stupid son of a bit*h

twice_banned · Post by **twice_banned** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 12:52 pm

Globe and Mail, Sept 1st:

"Canada should withdraw its troops from the current mission in southern Afghanistan and invite Taliban fighters to peace talks, NDP leader Jack Layton said yesterday. 'We believe that a comprehensive peace process has to bring all combatants to the table. You don't accomplish peace if those who are fighting are not involved in the peace-based discussion,' he said."

Is Layton on glue? What would the Taliban say at peace talks? "We want all Americans off of middle east soil, and we want to once again ban children from attending school, women from going out in public or being educated, and we want to ban music once again."

What a f*cking idiot. As if there is any reasoning to be done with people who have based their entire approach to life on the destruction of "infidels" who do not share their ridiculous interpretation of Islam.

Thank Christ that Layton and the idiots at the NDP will never be in charge of formulating any kind of policy for our country.

beechy · Post by **beechy** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:22 pm

Yeah his polices on global issues are a bit weak. But he does have some good thoughts on programs for helping the struggling middle class. To be a socialist you really have to believe we can all get along. Unfortunately muslim extreamists suck ass and wouldn't as you pointed out accept a loving resolution.....hopefully one day we can all be smoking the Shisha together and laughing about these days.

... · Post by **...** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:58 pm

Thousands of years of hate in that region will never end....ever.

Give the man credit. He's looking for solutions.

But wait....if yer a Harper fan...you can thank Layton fer puttin Harper in the driver's seat in YOW. So...crawl off the man

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 2:00 pm

It's retarded ideas like this that prevent any of the good ideas from being heard. Too bad, they have good ones every so often. As do all the parties.

Now if only they were interested in what's good for all of us instead of themselves...

beechy · Post by **beechy** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 3:34 pm

It is really sad that a vote for him is a vote for harper too... Makes it hard to vote for a guy who actually is focused on helping the Canadian Middle.....probably at great cost to the country, but at least we wouldn't go into debt fighting the battles of others.

Dust Devil · Post by **Dust Devil** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:51 pm

What are some of the NDP's good ideas?

. ._ · Post by **. ._** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:04 pm

A karaoke machine in every living room!

I had a good chat with Jack once in a bar. Nice guy. Very intelligent, and I got the sense he was genuine, not full of shit like many other politicians I've talked to. He's a bit too right though.

I normally vote for these guys.

-istp

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:10 pm

What are some of the NDP's good ideas?

Social spending, decriminalization of petty drugs, environmental protection, renewable energy research, low income housing...

The thing is, the NDP is on such a moral kick that they don't realise, let alone promote, the fact that there are economic, criminal justice, and international political benefits.

Dust Devil · Post by **Dust Devil** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:24 pm

don't forget the death tax. The NDP feels we arn't taxed enough when we are alive so they feel we should be taxed when we die.

Why is more social spending a good thing. I think we have more than enough social safety nets. Who is going to pay for the increase in social spending.

If the NDP we're in power this country would look more and more like grim situation we have in Saskatchewan.

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:37 pm

Everything in moderation.

North Shore · Post by **North Shore** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:50 pm

don't forget the death tax. The NDP feels we arn't taxed enough when we are alive so they feel we should be taxed when we die.

Sure, and at 100%, too.

Why? Well, Dust, I'm sure you subscribe to having a strong work ethic and all, and how a man has to make it in the world on the strength of his own hard work, yadda, yadda. So why help the rich along by enabling them to pass their assets along to their kids, thus giving them a head start on everyone else? As it is, they can already afford better schooling, etc...which already gives a head start.

So, Inheritance Tax of 100%, and we all get to start out in life with an equal handicap, and may the most deserving win...

C-FABH · Post by **C-FABH** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 7:17 pm

Can't say much about his wife, Puppy Chow...

beechy · Post by **beechy** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 7:52 pm

Naw his wife is not the greatest......but i think we have all made mistakes in the name of love.

Social spending is important....as are his environmental policies, research into renewable energy etc....

Not that i buy into the humans are causing global warming thing, but it wouldn't hurt to pump fewer emissions into the air. The oil companies have no real desire to explore alternative energy, i disagree with that, this is what i was told by oil execs.

We could save a fortune by reforming the criminal justice system in a more liberal fashion. At least he is passionate and new......Harper reminds me of the grim reaper, or a ghost.

While a Death Tax is really perverse, it would redistribute the wealth which is never a bad thing,,,,,maybe 50% would work well. Plus people would be inclined to work for less and costs would come down. (I failed economics, so if this is wrong please forgive me)

If anyone lives in YXU and can vote for him and old friend of mine is running for the NDP in london north.....vote for him, he is a guy who will bring change!

Dust Devil · Post by **Dust Devil** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 7:54 pm

North Shore wrote: So why help the rich along by enabling them to pass their assets along to their kids, thus giving them a head start on everyone else?

I work for the sole purpose of providing for my family and my future family. I don't have kids yet but when I do I will work my ass off so that they grow up with as many oppurtunities as possible. If the New Democrats out there choose to sit around and wait for their government cheque to show up then they will lose.

Why should my kids suffer because of the lazy ass workers out there?

Dust Devil · Post by **Dust Devil** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 7:57 pm

beechy wrote:

While a Death Tax is really perverse, it would redistribute the wealth which is never a bad thing

This kind of talk truly blows my mind.

wingtip · Post by **wingtip** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:22 pm

Dust Devil wrote:
beechy wrote:

While a Death Tax is really perverse, it would redistribute the wealth which is never a bad thing
This kind of talk truly blows my mind.

Beechy must have been repeating from a Trailer Park Boys episode.
Everthing is wrong with income redistribution. We all have to contribute to provide basic social programs but beyond that, you are your own keeper.

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:54 pm

beechy wrote: old friend of mine is running for the NDP in london north.....vote for him, he is a guy who will bring change!

This kind of talk truly blows my mind... no politician will ever truly bring about change that benefits those who need it.

goates · Post by **goates** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 10:23 pm

While a Death Tax is really perverse, it would redistribute the wealth which is never a bad thing,,,,,maybe 50% would work well. Plus people would be inclined to work for less and costs would come down. (I failed economics, so if this is wrong please forgive me)

How exactly would this work? All of the people with money will just move elsewhere and take their families with them. And seeing as many of the richer people are the ones providing jobs (some quite likely created them in the first place), there is also a good chance they would just take the jobs with them too.

The oil companies have no real desire to explore alternative energy, i disagree with that, this is what i was told by oil execs.

While it's still not a lot compared to what oil companies spend on drilling, some are putting money into renewable energy.

http://www.beatricewind.co.uk/home/

At least it's a start.

Dust Devil · Post by **Dust Devil** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 10:50 pm

beechy wrote:The oil companies have no real desire to explore alternative energy, i disagree with that, this is what i was told by oil execs.

I call bullshit! No oil exec ever told you that. Why would they tell you that.

JakeYYZ · Post by **JakeYYZ** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 7:04 am

Fuckin' Jack, pondering how the world would be different if only Hitler had gotten a few timely hugs at the right state-run daycare...thinking about rational discussions with Iran... wants our troops to cut and run from Afghanistan (just months after a vote in the House of Commons extended our mission there till 2009) or that Layton wants to negotiate with Taliban terrorists (is NDP star candidate, Monia Mazigh -- wife of Maher Arar -- Layton's terrorism advisor?)
Is there anything sadder than losers whose parents kept them away from sports....who don't get that some bastards would rather elbow you in the jaw than give you an easy rebound?

Go hug a ticking Khadr, Jackie 'ol boy.

....anyone who is even tangentially in sympathy with the notion that government should control the means of production of ANYTHING.....anyone who believes 'poor' people are not getting the breaks and that government intervention is needed to right that wrong is an asshole....he doesn't really mean to DO anything about it cause he simply CAN'T you see....but he, as his ilk, play that card over and over again....it works for a certain type of voter...guilt ridden twits that hate effort and ambition and competition...but for the rest of us strivers it's a no go.....that way the dinosaurs lie.

EI-EIO · Post by **EI-EIO** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 7:28 am

NDP won't be good for aviation, that's for damn sure.

beechy · Post by **beechy** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 10:19 am

Dust Devil...glad i could blow your mind....means i must have said something good.....

The oil exec story is true, call bullshit i dont give a fu*k. It was said to me, after i asked the specific question. Why because the guy was ignorant, and proud of it... Some oil companies have put money into it, but not near enough...want proof, where is the technology?

I went to the Prospectors and Deveolopers association of Canada meeting this year in Toronto, the only alternative energy displays were by private companies who seemed to be on thier own. They were lumped into one corner of the building in the basement, which you needed a map to find. Tell me there is no government influence, especially in the states, to slow the research in the alternative energy field down and i can tell you that you are stupid.

Nothing wrong with redistributing wealth so long as everyone does thier part...most communal species share and care for each other....we could learn from them.

Flybabe · Post by **Flybabe** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 11:03 am

I have to add something here..

If you view Harper as anything but passionate, you haven't seen him in person and are a victim of the media.

Government may be largely to blame for the lack of development in renewable energy - when I was in Kansas, there were multitudes of biodiesel producers, HOWEVER... there was minimal funding when compared with fossil fuel producers. That DOES have to change in order to create a level playing field.

I will never, EVER vote NDP. I've seen what they did to BC, Sask and Yukon. If it was up to the NDP and their supporters in Yukon, we'd all be living in apartment buildings downtown, drawing social assistance and pedalling our bicycles to McDonald's to work. There is nothing better to destroy an economy than a communist government.... and communist they are. I work for my money, don't even THINK of "spreading the wealth".

Wait a minute.. I'm a pilot. Who's wealth was I referring to??? Sure as heck not mine

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 11:05 am

most communal species share and care for each other....we could learn from them.

Well we already have the herd mentality down. I guess your 'government by nature' could work. Ofcourse then the sick and old and otherwise infirm would be eaten by the wolves.

(I guess nature is more like anarchy than collectivism.)

Golden Flyer · Post by **Golden Flyer** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 6:29 pm

I am Birddog wrote:Thousands of years of hate in that region will never end....ever.

Give the man credit. He's looking for solutions.

But wait....if yer a Harper fan...you can thank Layton fer puttin Harper in the driver's seat in YOW. So...crawl off the man

You are correct Birddog... There is no sense in us trying to change these guys. They will kill any and everyone over religion in that region. When I was a kid, I thought religion was about peace and unity, but as I got older and realized that 90% of wars have been created by religion... I dont know what to believe anymore!

P.S. The rastafarian religion makes some sense