Arizona business jet ground collision after landing

[rookiepilot]

https://www.azfamily.com/video/2025/02/ ... e-airport/

One Bizjet crashed into another.

Edited text size for the dense who cannot read.

[pelmet]

https://www.azfamily.com/video/2025/02/ ... e-airport/

One Bizjet crashed into another.

Aircraft owned by Vince Neil. I heard that he is a pilot.

Has anyone noticed how many business jet crashes there are compared to airliners?

[Dias]

Has anyone noticed how many business jet crashes there are compared to airliners?

Yes, it's barely news worthy.

[digits_]

Of all the ways to crash at Scottsdale, this is certainly the weirdest one.

[SpyPilot]

Familiar with most of the Maricopa County airports when I based at Wiliams Gateway for a couple of winters in '95/'96.

Not familiar with the "weird-ways-to-crash" handbook for Scottsdale. Must have been published after I left

[cdnavater]

Has anyone noticed how many business jet crashes there are compared to airliners?

Yes, it's barely news worthy.

What have we come to as humans when the death of one and two others are in critical condition is not newsworthy!
It says that Vince Neil was not on board!

https://abcnews.go.com/US/2-jets-collid ... =118670343

One person died upon impact, according to Folio, who gave an afternoon press briefing on the collision. Authorities were working into the evening to extricate the body.

Two individuals were in critical condition, and they were sent to local trauma centers, he said. Another person was sent to a local hospital, and a fourth refused treatment at the scene, he added

[digits_]

Not familiar with the "weird-ways-to-crash" handbook for Scottsdale. Must have been published after I left

There's so much uncontrolled VFR traffic in the area that TCAS warnings are very common. There's quite a bit of terrain around as well. It's also quite a busy airport with sometimes 3 holding points where aircraft are lining up. All factors that increase the chance of collisions. When I heard about a collision at Scottsdale, I expected one of those threats to be the cause. Not a collapsed gear leg resulting in a runway excursion.

[albertdesalvo]

when the death of one and two others are in critical condition is not newsworthy!

Well, just look at the thread title. I was expecting to read about someone bumping wingtips on the taxi to the stand.



This was a CRASH, people got KILLED, and "ground collision" doesn't quite cover it.

[cdnavater]

when the death of one and two others are in critical condition is not newsworthy!

Well, just look at the thread title. I was expecting to read about someone bumping wingtips on the taxi to the stand.



This was a CRASH, people got KILLED, and "ground collision" doesn't quite cover it.

True enough, I have to imagine the info wasn’t available for both the title and the post I referenced, I hope that was the case.

[rookiepilot]

when the death of one and two others are in critical condition is not newsworthy!

Well, just look at the thread title. I was expecting to read about someone bumping wingtips on the taxi to the stand.



This was a CRASH, people got KILLED, and "ground collision" doesn't quite cover it.

Maybe try reading the post again before making an ass of yourself.

I clearly wrote — one jet crashed into another in my original post.

Not my problem if you’re too lazy to click a link.

[‘Bob’]

Has anyone noticed how many business jet crashes there are compared to airliners?

Yes, it's barely news worthy.

What have we come to as humans when the death of one and two others are in critical condition is not newsworthy!

Do you care about any of the hundreds who die in car crashes every day? Or those who are denied medical coverage by insurance companies?

Life is precious and cheap all at the same time depending on who's life it is, the circumstances of their death, and who's responsible or paying for it.

[‘Bob’]

https://www.azfamily.com/video/2025/02/ ... e-airport/

One Bizjet crashed into another.

Aircraft owned by Vince Neil. I heard that he is a pilot.

Has anyone noticed how many business jet crashes there are compared to airliners?

US Part 91 Operations. It's the Wild West out there.

Get ready for a lot more of it now that unelected billionaires are running the show. Safety is too expensive and lives are cheap.

[rookiepilot]

Yes, it's barely news worthy.

What have we come to as humans when the death of one and two others are in critical condition is not newsworthy!

Do you care about any of the hundreds who die in car crashes every day? Or those who are denied medical coverage by insurance companies?

Life is precious and cheap all at the same time depending on who's life it is, the circumstances of their death, and who's responsible or paying for it.

If it’s a really nice , rare airplane, I’ve learned a lotta people seem to care more that it was lost than for whoever died in the crash.

[cdnavater]

Yes, it's barely news worthy.

What have we come to as humans when the death of one and two others are in critical condition is not newsworthy!

Do you care about any of the hundreds who die in car crashes every day? Or those who are denied medical coverage by insurance companies?

Life is precious and cheap all at the same time depending on who's life it is, the circumstances of their death, and who's responsible or paying for it.

Actually, I do care when I hear about massive pile ups or whatever other daily activity that may kill somebody occurs, it’s called being human!
I have empathy for others suffering, this is the problem these days, people are desensitized to the point of death and dismemberment doesn’t seem to bother them, that is really sad!

[pelmet]

What have we come to as humans when the death of one and two others are in critical condition is not newsworthy!

Do you care about any of the hundreds who die in car crashes every day? Or those who are denied medical coverage by insurance companies?

Life is precious and cheap all at the same time depending on who's life it is, the circumstances of their death, and who's responsible or paying for it.

Actually, I do care when I hear about massive pile ups or whatever other daily activity that may kill somebody occurs, it’s called being human!
I have empathy for others suffering, this is the problem these days, people are desensitized to the point of death and dismemberment doesn’t seem to bother them, that is really sad!

It is not sad at all. A lot of people died yesterday in car crashes. I didn’t blink an eye and I likely won’t today or tomorrow. That doesn’t mean that I wish it didn’t happen and if it happens to someone I know that there is a difference in feeling but can you imagine what an emotional wreck someone would if they acted the same for every death.

My belief is that the odds favour that you are trying to do a sort of virtue signal to be seen as more caring for the sake of making a point in a discussion of you being a better person. If the accidental death of one or two persons is newsworthy, the newspaper will be ten times as thick covering all this.

[cdnavater]

Do you care about any of the hundreds who die in car crashes every day? Or those who are denied medical coverage by insurance companies?

Life is precious and cheap all at the same time depending on who's life it is, the circumstances of their death, and who's responsible or paying for it.

Actually, I do care when I hear about massive pile ups or whatever other daily activity that may kill somebody occurs, it’s called being human!
I have empathy for others suffering, this is the problem these days, people are desensitized to the point of death and dismemberment doesn’t seem to bother them, that is really sad!

It is not sad at all. A lot of people died yesterday in car crashes. I didn’t blink an eye and I likely won’t today or tomorrow. That doesn’t mean that I wish it didn’t happen and if it happens to someone I know that there is a difference in feeling but can you imagine what an emotional wreck someone would if they acted the same for every death.

My belief is that the odds favour that you are trying to do a sort of virtue signal to be seen as more caring for the sake of making a point in a discussion of you being a better person. If the accidental death of one or two persons is newsworthy, the newspaper will be ten times as thick covering all this.

Nope, I genuinely feel bad when people die in accidents, the DCA crash had me down for a bit.
Sometimes I stop watching the news for a bit and yes if every daily death we’re in my face, I would struggle with that however it’s not the same feeling as a death of a family member or friend but I do empathize with their family and friends.
Frankly, if you don’t blink an eye for multiple deaths, thanks for making my point, a lack of empathy is what’s wrong with the world today!

[pelmet]

Actually, I do care when I hear about massive pile ups or whatever other daily activity that may kill somebody occurs, it’s called being human!
I have empathy for others suffering, this is the problem these days, people are desensitized to the point of death and dismemberment doesn’t seem to bother them, that is really sad!

It is not sad at all. A lot of people died yesterday in car crashes. I didn’t blink an eye and I likely won’t today or tomorrow. That doesn’t mean that I wish it didn’t happen and if it happens to someone I know that there is a difference in feeling but can you imagine what an emotional wreck someone would if they acted the same for every death.

My belief is that the odds favour that you are trying to do a sort of virtue signal to be seen as more caring for the sake of making a point in a discussion of you being a better person. If the accidental death of one or two persons is newsworthy, the newspaper will be ten times as thick covering all this.

Nope, I genuinely feel bad when people die in accidents, the DCA crash had me down for a bit.
Sometimes I stop watching the news for a bit and yes if every daily death we’re in my face, I would struggle with that however it’s not the same feeling as a death of a family member or friend but I do empathize with their family and friends.
Frankly, if you don’t blink an eye for multiple deaths, thanks for making my point, a lack of empathy is what’s wrong with the world today!

Personally, I think if it is genuinely affecting you when there is a crash, you have some sort of emotional problem and may not be fit for flying. The reality is that there is a shock when there is a crash in DCA for all of us to a degree but we have to be able to put it out of mind and get the job done for our passengers despite the fact that we saw the bad news on CNN in the terminal.

I had to fly the next day after a crash in my company killed a pilot I knew and had shared a company house with in the past. A lot of people had tears that day including me passing on the info to a pilot coming into the house unaware.

I think part of the problem with the world today is emotional over-reaction. I suggest that a balance is much more appropriate in order to e mentally stable individual and that balance changes a great deal depending on the closeness of the person who died and the circumstances.

[cdnavater]

It is not sad at all. A lot of people died yesterday in car crashes. I didn’t blink an eye and I likely won’t today or tomorrow. That doesn’t mean that I wish it didn’t happen and if it happens to someone I know that there is a difference in feeling but can you imagine what an emotional wreck someone would if they acted the same for every death.

My belief is that the odds favour that you are trying to do a sort of virtue signal to be seen as more caring for the sake of making a point in a discussion of you being a better person. If the accidental death of one or two persons is newsworthy, the newspaper will be ten times as thick covering all this.

Nope, I genuinely feel bad when people die in accidents, the DCA crash had me down for a bit.
Sometimes I stop watching the news for a bit and yes if every daily death we’re in my face, I would struggle with that however it’s not the same feeling as a death of a family member or friend but I do empathize with their family and friends.
Frankly, if you don’t blink an eye for multiple deaths, thanks for making my point, a lack of empathy is what’s wrong with the world today!

Personally, I think if it is genuinely affecting you when there is a crash, you have some sort of emotional problem and may not be fit for flying. The reality is that there is a shock when there is a crash in DCA for all of us to a degree but we have to be able to put it out of mind and get the job done for our passengers despite the fact that we saw the bad news on CNN in the terminal.

I had to fly the next day after a crash in my company killed a pilot I knew and had shared a company house with in the past. A lot of people had tears that day including me passing on the info to a pilot coming into the house unaware.

I think part of the problem with the world today is emotional over-reaction. I suggest that a balance is much more appropriate in order to e mentally stable individual and that balance changes a great deal depending on the closeness of the person who died and the circumstances.

I think you’re a piece of shit for implying I wouldn’t remove my emotions from the flight deck or take myself off if I wasn’t fit, FU CK YOU!
There’s a reason why ALPA put out a bunch of emails reminding pilots about the availability of help if needed, I think you’re a sociopath who faked your tears when your buddy died! Not sure if being a sociopath is disqualifying for flying, maybe look into that!

I have been flying for over 30 years now, you think I haven’t encountered the loss of a friend in this business or had a couple of close calls myself! Never once did anyone ever say to me that it doesn’t seem like your fit for flying, so I reiterate FU CK YOU!

[pdw]

Sure … I know that something needed to be said, but i didn’t see that one coming (the ultimate rebuke). But the one thing i know is that everytime there is discussion about an aviation tragedy here I try to put myself into the shoes of an SB investigator who gets to answer questions from loved ones about loved one lost and how it happened …

[pelmet]

Nope, I genuinely feel bad when people die in accidents, the DCA crash had me down for a bit.
Sometimes I stop watching the news for a bit and yes if every daily death we’re in my face, I would struggle with that however it’s not the same feeling as a death of a family member or friend but I do empathize with their family and friends.
Frankly, if you don’t blink an eye for multiple deaths, thanks for making my point, a lack of empathy is what’s wrong with the world today!

Personally, I think if it is genuinely affecting you when there is a crash, you have some sort of emotional problem and may not be fit for flying. The reality is that there is a shock when there is a crash in DCA for all of us to a degree but we have to be able to put it out of mind and get the job done for our passengers despite the fact that we saw the bad news on CNN in the terminal.

I had to fly the next day after a crash in my company killed a pilot I knew and had shared a company house with in the past. A lot of people had tears that day including me passing on the info to a pilot coming into the house unaware.

I think part of the problem with the world today is emotional over-reaction. I suggest that a balance is much more appropriate in order to e mentally stable individual and that balance changes a great deal depending on the closeness of the person who died and the circumstances.

I think you’re a piece of shit for implying I wouldn’t remove my emotions from the flight deck or take myself off if I wasn’t fit, FU CK YOU!
There’s a reason why ALPA put out a bunch of emails reminding pilots about the availability of help if needed, I think you’re a sociopath who faked your tears when your buddy died! Not sure if being a sociopath is disqualifying for flying, maybe look into that!

I have been flying for over 30 years now, you think I haven’t encountered the loss of a friend in this business or had a couple of close calls myself! Never once did anyone ever say to me that it doesn’t seem like your fit for flying, so I reiterate FU CK YOU!

See what I mean by emotional over-reaction. You just proved me right. To be honest, I think you are fit to fly and are just exaggerating your empathy. A lot of people exaggerate. In this case it is called virtue signalling to show us all how "caring' you are(or still trying to justify the original post asking what kind of human beings we are).

[boeingboy]

Looks like this was a complete maintenance screw up....After the hard landing a while back the mechanic removed the gear for NDT - but when he put it back in - he missed the trunnion pin with the retaining bolt. The pics before landing are unbelievable....they show the left main twisted 180 degrees and blowing back in the wind!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCRayO1Pi-I

https://ewscripps.brightspotcdn.com/72/ ... -50-pm.pdf


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