NO DISCOUNTS OR DEALS FOR THOSE WHO RISK OR DIE FOR US?!?!

critical engine · Post by **critical engine** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 2:33 am

How pathetic is this country, where people die to preserve our way of life, women and men whom volunteer to ensure I keep my freedoms and democracies return from their tour of duties abroad, and can't even get a discount on any major airline in Canada to fly home to see their families?

If this is true, I am truly embarrassed!!!

Please tell me my Military friends are misinformed and that we respect our soldiers by allowing them access to cheap flights home to spend with their families....

Thank You to all the men and woman, at home and abroad, who risk their lives daily so I can live the live I do now, and forever into the future

gryphon · Post by **gryphon** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 2:35 am

Only airline in Canada (or that formely known as) that gave a discount was Canjet....10%, which is better than nothing!! You don't find too many things with DND discounts.

desksgo · Post by **desksgo** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:40 am

Pretty sure they get it in the states.

monkeyspankmasterflex · Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:34 am

Wizzeak. You need to go back to troll school son.

sky's the limit · Post by **sky's the limit** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:45 am

CE,

Sorry mate, it's their job. You sign up for the military, that's what you're signing up for. The Gov't does however provide free Viagra to Vets... You can check if you don't believe me.

As Capt S&J said, they're over there fighting as much for our "Freedom" as I am. This war has the very real possiblity of further restricting our freedoms, becasue when, yes when, bombs start going off in T.O., Montreal, and Vancouver, you're going to find things changing rather rapidly around here.

I risk my life everday at work, contributing to our nation's economy, what am I entitled to? Yeah, didn't think so...

STL

Dusty 3 · Post by **Dusty 3** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:59 am

I understand why somebody might think they deserve a discount on Air Canada. Your over in a country fighting, wearing the Canadain flag on your shoulder, co-workers have lost their lives in battle.

A deal should be given to them and or family.

Note: Police, Fire, Ambulance, Air Ambulance, Police Air Services don't get discounts to go home and see their families either.

D.

(The meter man who distributes parking tickets doesn't count)

...edited for spelling.

Adanac · Post by **Adanac** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:15 am

Capt,

I for the most part, I am a floater at this site. I view, I read, I approve, I disaprove, I laugh, and even shake my head in disgust some times. After reading your post, I had to shake my head.

If you can honestly watch footage of the aircraft hitting the twin towers and then falling and not feel any sense of shock, horror, sadness, grief, or loss then I will admit that your comments are true and valid. But I have yet to find a soul that doesn't react to that day.

These soliders are over there taking on these indeviduals whom started this fight. If your knowledge of Canadian history is as good as I hope, you will know that when Canadian troops show up, they don't pick fights, but they sure do finish them.

So I am supporting our troops and their actions. It turns my stomach every time I hear we have lost another Canadian son or daughter in this conflict and I wish them all the best in a safe return. But we should not turn our backs now.

I for one will pick a peaceful solution over war every time, but when someone goes up to my neighbour and knocks his house down, you can know for damn sure I am going to stand shoulder to shoulder with him to make sure it never happens again. So if it means we have to go over to the middle of nowhere with our troops to do it, so be it. As for the Bush's adgenda, I don't recall seeing any Canadian troops being shipped over to Iraq!

Show some support for those who are holding a line that you sleep behind in safety. You don't have to like the cause, but never waiver the support for those who work it!

It is also my understanding that you get travel expense when going over seas with the military. So how is this different then anyone else in the buisness world that travels? But, I do think it would be a great way to support our guys and gals by giving them a break. Or, how about we buy more than a hand full of airbuses so we can actually move our people to and from?

Adanac

Dash-Ate · Post by **Dash-Ate** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:06 am

But the alleged 9/11 terrorists were not from iraq or afghanistan. and the 1991 invasion of iraq did nothing to help the world. Focus on the real terrorists in Pakistan and Saudi

If you look real close youll see that there is only one party who has removed our freedoms since 9/11. hint they live in this country and your tax dollars pay their salary.

gowest · Post by **gowest** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:15 am

Adanac,

I respect the military but they fight the wrong war, getting killed there doesn't defend my freedom at all, that's what the government propaganda wants you to believe and that's how 9-11 is used...
none of the hijacker were from afghanistan or Irak , there were Saudies and to my knowledge, we haven't send any troops there to fight and "bring democraty"

So don't shake your head and think ouside the box...

war is just another business were innocent people are getting killed, no heroes, just dead people...

niss · Post by **niss** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:47 am

"Only the dead have seen the end of war"

chipmunk · Post by **chipmunk** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:54 am

I don't know if this still exists but back in 2000 as a member of the CF (even the Reserves) we could call to "book" a seat on a DND flight and availability would be based on seniority, etc. I don't recall if it cost anything (if it did, it was very little.) I never used it myself, but I had several friends who did. Does anyone still enlisted know of the status of this? Did it go away along with other cutbacks?

Walker · Post by **Walker** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:30 am

Adanac wrote:Capt,

These soliders are over there taking on these indeviduals whom started this fight.

Not going to get into this one big time; but id just like to point out the little bitty detail that that comment isn’t exactly true… We kinda started it… They were just the first people to bring the tussle into our backyard.

I was out at the bar last week with my friend who just got back, the (Very left wing hippy bar) picked up his tab saying although they didn’t agree with the policy they appreciated that he was willing to do what he did for the country. To which he gladly accepted but retorted “thank you but the 60K in tax payers money is thanks enough…”

El Comat · Post by **El Comat** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:45 am

I support OUR troops and the war THEY fight 100%. Notice how I said "our" and "they". In other words, I might not agree 100% with how the US is going about their duties, but for the most part I do. Canadians are fighting to liberate the Afghans from the Taliban regime. We have already seen massive headway being made in that women over there now have waaaaaay more rights than they had before (they weren't allowed to have any body part exposed from what I'm told), and the education system is waaaaaay better than what it was. If you don't believe the Afghans don't deserve these freedoms and rights that we enjoy everyday, then shame on you.

EC

Springbok 3 · Post by **Springbok 3** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:00 am

Some of you have been taking too much heed of what Jack Layton has been saying. Stop with all this "servants to George W" crap.

In is in the interests of the freedom, values and democracy that we enjoy in the Western world, that we are prepared to take the battle to those that oppose it and want to destroy our way of life and enforce another upon us. By taking the battle to them in their back yards, we are keeping them so occupied that they find it extremely difficult to plan and execute attacks on foreign soil.

Every time you tuck your kids safely into bed at night or sit down to a meal and a beer in front of your TV after a days work and walk the streets without fear of bombs and terror, say a prayer for the boys and girls away sacrificing all they have to keep it this way for you and I.

They believe in what they doing and their loyalty is not to politicians but to their country and their countrymen for they know and appreciate the fact that without this war, the perpetrators of terror will be waging their death and destruction on our door steps instead.

That being said, I feel that all CF personnel should be given airline discounts.

Beacon Final · Post by **Beacon Final** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:14 am

i agree they should get a break but if the airlines gave the Forces discounts then why not the Mounties, Firefighters, or anyone else with high risk jobs.

I am just trying to see this from both sides. I think a better solution would be to offer Forces members families discounts to get overseas when our people take there leave in Europe etc...

gowest · Post by **gowest** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:02 pm

El Comat wrote:I support OUR troops and the war THEY fight 100%. Notice how I said "our" and "they". In other words, I might not agree 100% with how the US is going about their duties, but for the most part I do. Canadians are fighting to liberate the Afghans from the Taliban regime. We have already seen massive headway being made in that women over there now have waaaaaay more rights than they had before (they weren't allowed to have any body part exposed from what I'm told), and the education system is waaaaaay better than what it was. If you don't believe the Afghans don't deserve these freedoms and rights that we enjoy everyday, then shame on you.

EC

El Comat, if western countries actually care about the freedom of those people tell me why nobody send any troop to Tibet when china invaded them in the 50's? and there are more example of small countries that don't have any strategical/economical worth that the western world doesn't give a shit about...

Schooner69 · Post by **Schooner69** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:25 pm

Critical Engine wrote: "How pathetic is this country, where people die to preserve our way of life, women and men whom volunteer to ensure I keep my freedoms and democracies return from their tour of duties abroad, and can't even get a discount on any major airline in Canada to fly home to see their families?"

COMMENT

CE:

First: From whence comes your information?

Second: As a former (25 year) military person, I'm of two minds on this. On the one hand, any freebie is welcomed. On the other hand, were there such "perks" during WWI, WWII, and/or Korea?

When I was serving, I was reasonably well paid for my efforts. The fact that I'm off somewhere putting into practice that for which I've been trained and for which I've been recompensed muddies the water somewhat.

Third: If they're returning from their tour abroad, does not the military fly them to their home base and, by extension, their families?

Per Ardua Ad Astra...

John

Springbok 3 · Post by **Springbok 3** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:28 pm

When you go home one day
tell them of us and say
that for your tomorrow
we gave our today.

backon3 · Post by **backon3** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:42 pm

"Evil thrives when good people do nothing"

The Gun · Post by **The Gun** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:10 pm

"Third: If they're returning from their tour abroad, does not the military fly them to their home base and, by extension, their families?"

Schooner that doesn't count and you know it.

"I risk my life everday at work, contributing to our nation's economy, what am I entitled to? Yeah, didn't think so... "

Shut the @#$! up STL. You don't risk shit you pussy.

Anyways, going back to the original question, those serving are entitled to what's called Leave Travel Assistance (LTA). It can only be used once a year to visit family/next of kin (usually at Christmas time). The Forces shoulder a significant amount of the cost for the flight.

. ._ · Post by **. ._** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:14 pm

I think Afghanis deserve government subsidized flight training!

For the record, I support our troops.

-istp

gr8gazu · Post by **gr8gazu** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:22 pm

Springbok 3 wrote:Some of you have been taking too much heed of what Jack Layton has been saying. Stop with all this "servants to George W" crap.

In the interests of the freedom, values and democracy that we enjoy in the Western world, that we are prepared to take the battle to those that oppose it and want to destroy our way of life and enforce another upon us. By taking the battle to them in their back yards, we are keeping them so occupied that they find it extremely difficult to plan and execute attacks on foreign soil.

Every time you tuck your kids safely into bed at night or sit down to a meal and a beer in front of your TV after a days work and walk the streets without fear of bombs and terror, say a prayer for the boys and girls away sacrificing all they have to keep it this way for you and I.

They believe in what they doing and their loyalty is not to politicians but to their country and their countrymen for they know and appreciate the fact that without this war, the perpetrators of terror will be waging their death and destruction on our door steps instead.

That being said, I feel that all CF personnel should be given airline discounts.

Excellent post Springbok.

Our airlines are private enterprise not crown corporations. They are not liable for supplying discounted airfare any more than Macs should supply free milk or Ford supply discounted cars.

That being said, they should be supplied free transportation for their duties and for any medical treatment that may be associated with it. This is a cost to us tax payers (and we should pay it without question), not private enterprise.

Spend your life repaying those by living a decent life, paying respect and homage to those that serve rather that protesting their performing of duties.

Don't pay for those poppies with chump change. Make a meaningful donation. The veterans appreciate and deserve everything we can do for them. Oh, and think of them during that moment of silence on 11-11. I hate to see people at an assembly talking, muttering, joking etc.

172pilot · Post by **172pilot** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:20 pm

STL...you wrote....

""I risk my life everday at work, contributing to our nation's economy, what am I entitled to? Yeah, didn't think so... "

You and everyone else. There's a huge diff btw flying an aircraft/helo around in Canada versus being on the battlefield in the Middle East. No? And, I hate to say it, but you may get more social handouts than probably pay for in taxes. Healthcare. Roads. Police. Justice system. Subsidized education for your kids or yourself should you use it. The list goes on.

monkeyspankmasterflex · Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:44 pm

"Third: If they're returning from their tour abroad, does not the military fly them to their home base and, by extension, their families?"

Of course they do, they also get a trip home mid-tour on government dime. I have great respect for soldiers, however, I see no reason to offer a discount unless it makes good business sense to do so.

gonfly'n · Post by **gonfly'n** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:49 pm

Greyhound gives discounts on bus fare.

NO DISCOUNTS OR DEALS FOR THOSE WHO RISK OR DIE FOR US?!?!

NO DISCOUNTS OR DEALS FOR THOSE WHO RISK OR DIE FOR US?!?!

i agree but