hey just curious

Icarus · Post by **Icarus** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 8:33 pm

Hey,

I am currently a student at Moncton flight college past graduate out of the aircadet movement and a ppl from Gander flight training. I was just curious where the typical next step is from graduation for most people I know theres lots of jobs. However, aparently the first one is the hardest so I am looking for some tips from anyone about how to curve some of my training, I am doing the diploma program, so any suggestion to what potential employers would look for in training or experince for example is night time better than day time. I am doing some citabera training, due to my ppl, would some consieder that better than straight time building in a diamond?

I know the aircadets always need towpilots, hense why I want the tailwheel. any tow pilots out there want to give some tips, I know theres lots out here.

anyways any advice would be nice.

thanks and fly safe

Don

just curious · Post by **just curious** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:22 pm

I will try to come up with something over the weekend. Next time just PM me.
Just Curious

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5x5 · Post by **5x5** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 12:28 pm

I think Robin is having a "deskgo" moment in the Bat Mobile.

onthelook · Post by **onthelook** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 5:20 pm

that tail drgger time will def help with becoming a tow pilot but he also needs to be still active with cadets (ie be in the CIC) and have 150hrs pic for this region and 100PIC for regions that fly a scout. And that he needs 100hrs night crosscountry for his eventual ATPL and that the more he builds now while he can the less he needs later. be willing to sacrifice and pay dues on that first job. a lot of companies aren't just going to give you an airplane you have to earn your way on the ramp or dock. And thnen there is always the instructor route if he wants to build time after grad, <- from my gf who has been a glider and power instructor also a tow pilot with the cadets and is working as an instructing atm..

V1VRV2 · Post by **V1VRV2** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 6:51 pm

Icarus you sound like a fine and outstanding person, I also trained at MFC back then they called it Moncton Flying Club. The Whip ran it with a fierce hand anyways I'm simply reminsing soory. Say Hi to Gerry for me. The tail wheel thing is good however it only proves you can learn to fly a real hum hum conventional a/c. But guess what most pilots nowadays can't or at least never did!! something an old grouchy CP might like. So why not build time on the Citrabria instead of the nose dragger they have. Unless you plan to go the bush/seasonal way!! probably not what you want to be recognized for. I'd concentrate on getting as much as PIC night X/country time as possible that way when you get enough time for your ATR you won't be missing any of the requirements. Don't expect to simply be offered a twin job just because you have the rating, I'd look for somewhere that might offer PIC time on anything with maybe the opportunity to get into a twin, as the bonus. I think far too many pilots fall into the multi thing way too soon and then lack the PIC ie decision making, knowledge later on to become competent multi pilots.

Also do be sure to proof read all corespondence you send out to any potential employer.It also reflects on your preofessionalism and commitment to excellence.

Best of luck,

F-16 · Post by **F-16** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:39 am

If you do some taildragger flying - you can definitely push yourself into a job. I know you are on the east coast - I'm from the west coast and got my start up in Pemberton at the Pemberton Soaring Centre.

I applied in Jan/Feb one year heard nothing, tried again, heard nothing, and then BOOM! I got a phone call after finishing my last exam at university in mid-april. The current towpilot was gone for another job, and I had 40 hrs or so on tailwheel - did I want a job?

Did I EVER! I took it and after a season, ended up at the 500 hour mark. I was going back to school, but, especially in this market, once you are up to 500 hours, you start to give yourself more options, especially if you want to go to AB and fly a King Air - medevac contract req's for F/O's is 500 hours, plus all the other gigs there.

I don't know when you finish school, but something to consider - There are a few places in Canada where you can fly a towplane - and not volunteer like the air cadets. Another one is the Invemere Soaring Center/Club.

I would say it's worth looking into.

Cheers.

Icarus · Post by **Icarus** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 4:26 am

good morning,
Thanks for the replies. The cadets tow pilot job is a paid job and through the CIC which I will be joining as of next week, as a Civilian instructor waiting on the Cadet instructor cadre papers to go through. V1 I will say hello to gerry they told us that he is like the furtniture here but I had no idea. To everyone else night cross country sounds like a plane because I need it for the two crew? and thanks for all the suggestions a tow pilot job out west sounds fantastic, for a first job. I am only doing my tail dragger and aerobatic endorsement I am not time building on it but I have the option for that over straight time building. So it looks like tail draggin is the way.

Anyways I am burning no bridges

thanks guys

Don

just curious · Post by **just curious** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 9:34 am

V1 I will say hello to gerry they told us that he is like the furtniture here but I had no idea.

The club's furniture has bad teeth too?

Yes, Gerry has seen a zillion of us come and go. A fair chunk of us are coming up to 25000 hours now in fact.

Get as much taildragger time as you can, and as much night cross-country. Look at the ATPL requirements for down the road. The night PIC X/C is what ham-strings people who get co-pilot jobs right away. Get 25 hours of it before you leave the club.

The towing time, if you can get it, will help a lot. SO will the connection with the cadets down the road. Not all of them end up flying for a living, but there are a lot, and it's a helpful network.

If you end up instructing for instance, the schools that host the flying scholarship fin it easier having at least one instructor who was a scholarship kid, to motivate the cadets, and to have a better understanding of the time constraints on them.

Good Luck

ei ei owe · Post by **ei ei owe** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:18 am

Don't forget spray jobs that require tail dragger time. They're a great way to develop hands and feet and build some real quality time.

FlyGuy · Post by **FlyGuy** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 6:43 pm

Just so everyones clear on ATPL requirements...you do not need 100 hrs Night X-country PIC....you only need 25 hrs

Reference CARS 421.34......Airline Transport Pilot Licence Requirements

Flybabe · Post by **Flybabe** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:37 pm

ei ei owe wrote:Don't forget spray jobs that require tail dragger time. They're a great way to develop hands and feet and build some real quality time.

I am getting out of the loop here, but... I don't recommend spraying to start. Insurance (of course).

Icarus · Post by **Icarus** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 4:48 pm

Alo again,
thanks for all the advice guys its much appreated, and now I don't think I'll be doing any crop spraying or such yet seems a little extreme. but I appreated it.

Thanks

Don