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[politically_incorrect]

Where do they find the f**kng retards who work "airport security"? (in quotes, because the concept is a total joke when left in the hands of those mouth-breathers).


'Idiot' barb gets passenger detained

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A Wisconsin man who wrote "Kip Hawley is an Idiot" on a plastic bag containing toiletries said he was detained at an airport security checkpoint for about 25 minutes before authorities concluded the statement was not a threat.

Ryan Bird, 31, said he wrote the comment about Hawley -- head of the Transportation Security Administration -- as a political statement. He said he feels the TSA is imposing unreasonable rules on passengers while ignoring bigger threats.

A TSA spokeswoman acknowledged a man was stopped, but likened the incident to cases in which people inappropriately joke about bombs. She said the man was "a little combative" and that he was detained only a few minutes.

The incident has ignited some chatter on Internet travel Web sites. More than 83,000 people have clicked on a FlyerTalk.com forum devoted to the episode, and the forum has grown to include 30 pages of comments.

Bird, the vice president of a company that manufactures industrial equipment, said the encounter occurred at Milwaukee Airport on Tuesday, the day the TSA eased restrictions on carry-on liquids, gels and aerosols.

Bird entered the airport checkpoint with a see-through resealable bag containing small containers of toothpaste, deodorant, mouthwash and hair gel -- in keeping with new TSA requirements.

"My level of frustration with the TSA and their idiotic policies has grown over 2 ½ years," he said. "I'm frustrated that poorly trained TSA people can pull random passengers out of line and pat them down like common criminals. The average traveler has no recourse."

Bird put the marked bag in a plastic tray along with his shoes and cell phone. A TSA screener saw the bag and went to get a supervisor, who grabbed it and asked Bird if it was his.

"It was obvious that he was already angry," Bird said, adding that the screener told him, "You can't write things like that."

The supervisor told Bird he had the right to express his opinions "out there" -- pointing outside the screening area -- but did not have the right "in here," Bird said.

The supervisor called a sheriff's deputy, who checked to see if Bird had any warrants for his arrest, Bird said. Bird asked the officer if he was under arrest, and was told that he was being detained, he said.

A supervisor said he was going to confiscate the bag, but after Bird refused, he just photographed it, Bird said.

Bird said he filed a complaint about the incident with the TSA.

A TSA spokeswoman said she could not confirm whether Bird had filed a complaint, but described the incident as insignificant.

Screeners looked at the bag to "make sure it wasn't anything like a bomb threat," she said. She said the man was "a little combative" and that a law enforcement officer came over, briefly interviewed him and determined that he hadn't broken any laws.

"Everyone's entitled to their own opinion," she said.

A spokeswoman for the Milwaukee County Sheriff's Office said the TSA did call the sheriff's office to report an upset customer at the checkpoint. A deputy went to the scene, interviewed all of the participants, ran a wanted check on the man, and referred it back to the TSA after determining no crime had been committed, Deputy Darice Landon said.

Landon said the original call came at 2:21 p.m., and it was unclear how long the man was detained. There is no indication that he was combative, she said.

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My aunt brought a knife through security in Los Angeles so she could cut up some oranges on the plane. True story.

Yep. Real pros.

-istp

[shitdisturber]

To illustrate what a joke airport security is; consider the fact that passengers and aircrew go through security at airports, cleaning staff do not. Who is more likely to be a threat to an aircraft; the crew flying it, or someone with a pushcart you could hide a small car in who'll be going home at the end of their shift?

[200hr Wonder]

Well just the other day I had to do a delivery to the new domestic terminal expansion project in YVR. I drive a flat deck truck. So the "secruity" escorte comes out to meet me, gives me an escort pass and takes my DL number. I then procedure onto the main appron not even checked out. I guess the bumble bee thought because he could "see" my cargo I was good to go. As for several cube vans that where infront of me, the inspection consisted of a look into dark back for about three seconds.

The truck I drive has 2 belly boxes that I store belts and things on that are about the size of two large coolers each. As well I had a lift of wood on the deck, this can easly be four lifts of plywood. Each lift is 4x4x8. No body looked at anything! From 30' away I could have easly had anything hidden away.

*shrug* if you want to get something in it is just that easy. From there use your imgination.

[niss]

After 9/11 we were doing some work @ CFB Borden. They decided due to the high state of alert this country was under they needed to beef up security. The way they did this was by putting an 80 year old man in the all but de-commissioned guard house at the enterance to the base to check DLs.

I guess that makes sense.......afterall terrorists dont drive, they prefer to fly.

[shitdisturber]

Actually niss that was a reasonable response. I've spent in excess of seven years at Camp Boredom as an army brat and as a trainee in the military; trust me, there's nothing there for terrorists to bother attacking.

[Gramps]

Here's my solution for all this airport security screening crap...

EVERYBODY who boards can carry whatever they like... mouthwash, toothpaste, toe nail clippers (with the dreaded file), knives and even water! However, in addition, everyone is issued one of those bean bag guns that the police use on occasion. My thinking behind this is... who is gonna mess with a planeload of people armed with these bean bag guns? Think about it for just a minute.

I recken' your average "bad guy" ain't gonna mess with an airplane full of people just itching to take a shot at you! Can you imagine the pain from getting shot with hundreds of these things? OUCH!! Just have an arming switch in the cockpit which renders the BBG's totally useless unless activated. So when all hell breaks loose in the back, the Commander throws the big red switch and Voila! Bad guys defeated.

NOW can I carry all my necessities in my carry-on, because I'm really tired of my checked baggage ending up in a location more exotic than the rest of me... "Big Red"!!!

Gramps

[Lommer]

Sure that stops hijackings (which are never going to happen again in this day and age anyways), but how does that stop suicide bombers from just blowing up the flight all of a sudden?

[politically_incorrect]

Sure that stops hijackings (which are never going to happen again in this day and age anyways), but how does that stop suicide bombers from just blowing up the flight all of a sudden?

I like Gramps' idea.

Would it stop suicide bombers? Maybe not. Will we ever stop someone who is so committed to their cause that they are willing to die for it? No, absolutely not. Anyone, and especially any group acting together, will find the way if they're that pissed off at the world. There are probably a dozen methods out there that they haven't even tried yet. And they spend their days doing nothing other than trying to dream up even more.

Do we accomplish anything by systematically prohibiting anything that may have been used against an aircraft in the past? Probably not. Why not allow boxcutters on board if our cockpits are supposedly secure today? Sure, slit that FA's throat, because you're not going to accomplish your goal of getting in the cockpit, period. Right?

I hope that one day someone figures out how to weave C4 right into the fabric of our clothes. Because at that point, what are those fucking idiots who think they're providing airport "security" going to do? Tell us to board with no clothes on, because they aren't smart enough to interview and detain people who might actually be threats? Can't wait to see that happen...

[Beacon Final]

politically_incorrect said:

Where do they find the f**kng retards who work "airport security"? (in quotes, because the concept is a total joke when left in the hands of those mouth-breathers).

I know you think that everyone in the world is not a GREAT as you.... but did you ever stop and think that maybe someone in here is the son, daughter, wife, husband, brother, sister, friend of a airport security worker. Alot of the people do a good job, pilots mess up too. YOU ARE NOT A GOD.

All you do is bitch about things. RCMP, people who have different skin color than you, people that cant spell super perfect, and now the people who enable us to work as pilots. With out security workers and ground crews and counter agents we dont get to fly. Everyone is equal except those that do nothing but complain.

Are you too good for these jobs?

politically_incorrect said:

I hope that one day someone figures out how to weave C4 right into the fabric of our clothes

Maybe you should not be allowed to fly. Are you forgetting to take your meds again?


Please be less negative and less of a NAZI. You have no friends right? Well maybe its because all you do is bitch and bitch and bitch.

Have a nice day, I know I will because I wont be angry like you and I will be flying!

[hazatude]

Appoint me Chief of airport security and I'll fix the @#$! outta things.

[Bede]

Duffman is angry. Oh Yeah!

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[Cat Driver]

Beacon Final:

Many " Security " employees seem to have an IQ below normal.

How else could they carry out the dictates of the " I D I O T S "

who think up these proceedures?

[politically_incorrect]

RCMP

No apologies from me for demanding accountability from a national police force that has repeatedly operated outside the law and then refused to acknowledge it. Still waiting for you to explain exactly how that makes me anti-Canadian.

people who have different skin color than you

Sorry, where was I bitching about people with a different skin colour? Which thread? I remember bitching about a specific religion. Maybe it is you who is the one making assumptions about people's skin colour.

[Beacon Final]

Cat driver. I know that dept is not perfect nor those who work there. But that does not give politically_incorrect the right to say things like that man. They are only as good as the leadership they have or dont have as the case may be.

I say let HAZ take over and all will be good.
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politically_incorrect your a dick ooooooooooooh yeah!

Dude noone likes you! Just accept that nothing or noone is perfect. And start with yourself. Thats is why you are so unhappy.

take care politically_incorrect you need it with that sad outlook on things.

[politically_incorrect]

RCMP

No apologies from me for demanding accountability from a national police force that has repeatedly operated outside the law and then refused to acknowledge it. Still waiting for you to explain exactly how that makes me anti-Canadian.

Still waiting for rationale from the mouth-breather...

[Flying Low]

Well...I went through YYZ security (as crew) for about a month with a pair of small nail scissors in my toiletry kit. About a week or two ago one of the guys in security told me I could not take them onboard and confiscated them.

Aside from the obvious fact that I already have control of the airplane...that and I have a really sharp crash axe (infinately more threatening than my scissors) immediately behind my seat in the cockpit, what concerns me more is this. Was this guy just being a prick or is security at YYZ so bad they missed a banned item for an entire month?

[Hedley]

Security is obviously concerned about a crew hijacking their own flight

[bandit1]

WTF??

I was deadheading in the jumpseat last week and the broad at security who I see almost every day takes away my bottle of water. That wasn't even opened!

Gimme a fuckin break. I work for the company and I'm riding in the jumpjeat where there are plenty of better tools than a bottle of water that I could use to take control of the plane if I wanted to.
The idiots WHO MAKE THE SECURITY RULES need to pull their heads out of their asses and start using some common sense.

[DGuy]

There are a lot of job-opportunities in this multi-billion security industry.
All excuses are good to make a buck. Some governments are better than others in providing these excuses.
As for those confronted with these security checks on a daily basis, switch off Your brain , undergo them lighthearted and with some humor since there is nothing You can do about them. Maybe next time around during salary-negotiations ask for a raise to compensate for the hassle. Unless they become so funny that it might be worth paying for.

[Jim N]

Well just the other day I had to do a delivery to the new domestic terminal expansion project in YVR. I drive a flat deck truck. So the "secruity" escorte comes out to meet me, gives me an escort pass and takes my DL number. I then procedure onto the main appron not even checked out. I guess the bumble bee thought because he could "see" my cargo I was good to go. As for several cube vans that where infront of me, the inspection consisted of a look into dark back for about three seconds.

The truck I drive has 2 belly boxes that I store belts and things on that are about the size of two large coolers each. As well I had a lift of wood on the deck, this can easly be four lifts of plywood. Each lift is 4x4x8. No body looked at anything! From 30' away I could have easly had anything hidden away.

*shrug* if you want to get something in it is just that easy. From there use your imgination.

Airside escorts are not security prescreeners- two different sets of people with different bosses, rules and responsiblities...

Screeners are the ones that take your nail clippers and scissors. Escorts couldn't care less about that crap- they bring people like you (and your tools) airside to work. If they took away all the sharp and pointy stuff not many contractors would get much done. That is why your escort didn't look in your belly boxes, etc. All they were looking for is people being smuggled in. If its too small to hold someone- who cares?

As you were going to the terminal expansion site at YVR your search was much more cursory than normal I'm sure. The site is what TC deems a 'groundside island', that is a small piece of outside within the airport boundaries. It must be fenced and gated just like the perimeter of the airport. Inside the site it is just like being outside the airport, except with no smoking allowed. You could smuggle whatever you like in there as you pointed out because everything outside is technically allowed inside to facillitate the building process. If you had been going elsewhere on the airport it would have been much different I'm sure....

This is not to say I don't understand the point you are trying to make. The screeners randomly search airside escorts leaving the terminal just as if they were passengers. How useless is that? We have keys to all the perimeter gates which makes getting anything we want airside easy. The screeners are also easily fooled by slight of hand, can be bullied into not searching you, and just plain not good at the job. One screener refused to let one of the YVR wildlife personnel airside because they had a Swiss Army knife. They were allowed airside after giving it up, only to go out to their truck with the 12ga shotgun in it! Even when it was pointed out to the CATSA people that the person with the knife was allowed to have a shotgun airside- they still would not allow the knife airside. That about says it all about the screeners and their common sense or lack thereof...

Please don't lump other "security" (as you wrote, meant sarcastically I'm sure) professionals in with the screeners. Alot of us think they are idiots sometimes too. Please just try to heap your scorn on those that deserve it, not some other dude because his jacket says Security and he doesn't shake you down for your hair gel and toothpaste.

As you point out it would be easy to get what ever you want airside at YVR- 25% of the perimeter fence is of the plastic 'snow fence' variety. Why bother trying to smuggle it past the guard at the gate- just make your own gate wherever you want! As my former manager used to say "YVR- the only airport you could break into with a bic lighter"

200hr. Wonder, sorry if this sounds harsh or critical, as I don't mean it that way. I'm just trying to let you know what it is like from the bumble bees' perspective. They are just trying to earn a living like you and me...

Cheers

[YYCbiggles]

Every weekday,at the same time, I watch the same group of security personel drive to a resturant for their breakfast. If someone wanted to do harm ,it wouldn't be too difficult to figure out a time when security is reduced..

[Lost in Saigon]

You guys keep forgetting a basic point here. Wearing a pilot's uniform and carrying a security badge does not make you above suspicion.

Security has no way of verifying who you are. In Canada they only check your ID to look for lost or stolen ID. THEY DON"T EVEN LOOK AT THE PHOTO!

They go under the assumption you ARE a potential terrorist and therefore are subject to the same rules as all passengers. It doesn’t matter that you might be a real pilot and have control of an aircraft or fire axe.

Remember.... THEY DON'T KNOW WHO YOU ARE. You are just another guy dressed in a funny suit.

[canpilot]

yup agreed.

I've seen secuity personnel hold up a flight because a "YEG" RAP. Was a highly suspicious piece of ID for flight crew members to carry. LOL!

This is just one of many "interesting experiences " I have had with secuirity.

This being said. There are "morons" in every profession.