Air Sprint

fixed pitch · Post by **fixed pitch** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:24 am

Just curious if there are any Sprint guys on here. Wondering the salary for a PC12 f/o, and amount of hrs flown. Thanks. I've searched but didn't find a whole lot.

carnie · Post by **carnie** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:54 am

From what I've read, PC 12 f/o's start between 27-30k. Don't know how many hrs are flown a month. As far as hiring minimums-1500tt current IFR...

bluedevil4444 · Post by **bluedevil4444** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 5:39 pm

Fixed Pitch

I will start by saying that I am not here to bash Air Sprint, but ther are a few things that a potential employee needs to know about this company.

First off pay, I believe that the FO pay is about 27000/year, I was a captain there and the salary was 45,000 per year with an increase of 1000 per year up to a maximum of 50,000 per year. The pay is actually pretty good, when you actually get it.

Flying time, is low. You are on duty alot, I mean alot. But you don't fly very much. I can only speak for the eastern bases. When I mean you don't fly alot I mean maybe 30 hours per month max. Good if you like sitting in hotel rooms alot.

I left a good company to go to Air Sprint. For some people it is a fit. For the majority it is not. Alot of employees there are extremely unhappy, but most will not leave for various reasons, ie cost of moving, giving up a decent salary in a major city etc. The company has a major tendency of making promisses. Promisses that do not come true. There were 4 people in my ground school, of those people, 3 left within 3 months, I was the last to leave after the fourth month, due to this very reason. The management attitude revolves around the philosophy that..if you don't like it we will find someone that will do it. They are not an unsafe company and that is not what I am talking about.

Anyways, I am about to blow a gasket on this, if anyone who is thinking about going to this company wants to PM me I will fill you in on some need to know information.

NAYA · Post by **NAYA** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 4:28 pm

My God this is a beathen thread. Various opinions and various ideas. I know alot of AS guys, East and West, all have been there 2.5 yrs + and are happy, most are on jets now and fly about 600-700 hrs a year. I love the one post wonders that bash AS. It isn't for everyone, thats right, nor is any job, shut your mouth and be happy with what your doing now. If I dislike something enough I generally let it go and never think of it again, thats a free tip!

Raven20000 · Post by **Raven20000** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:33 pm

I would recommend if any body got a job offer to take it, I know a few people there and they really like it there, also alot of the F/O's move over to the Citation. Also knew one of the PC-12 captains went over to Jazz so not to bad.

fixed pitch · Post by **fixed pitch** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:22 am

thanks for the response all. Is there movement then onto the jets for both captains and f/o's or is it quite slow?

helinas · Post by **helinas** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:10 am

Do you think they hire guys in their 40's for the right seat of the PC-12?

thanks

3Green · Post by **3Green** » Sun Jan 14, 2007 7:35 pm

TopperHarley · Post by **TopperHarley** » Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:11 pm

helinas wrote:Do you think they hire guys in their 40's for the right seat of the PC-12?

thanks

I don't work for AS, but I don't think your age is a deterent. If you're willing to commit for a long-term with the company, then I think you would be a perfect candidate. You can make a career at AS if you want to.

So if I were you, just apply and see what happens. In your resume, try to emphasize the fact that you want to make a career in the corporate/fractional industry.

helinas · Post by **helinas** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:42 am

thanks C-HRIS for the info, much appreciated. I will apply and see what happens. At my age I would not mind spending the rest of my flying career at Sprint starting out on the pilatus and hopefully in the next 10 to 15 y ears maybe have a crack at the other corporate jets that they have.

Any other positive comments are welcomed and again C-HRIS thank you very much for the positive words.

helinas

Pete · Post by **Pete** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:43 pm

For a company who has such a big pc-12 fleet...would they require a multi? I know some do incase they need to put you in another one of their planes...just wondering what Sprint or any other company does/requires when they have such a huge -12 fleet.

mathias_now · Post by **mathias_now** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 9:22 pm

I was actully wondering the same thing myself....

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Rubberbiscuit · Post by **Rubberbiscuit** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:18 am

I also have two good friends at AS, and they are both very happy......and as far as I am concerned that is as good as it gets. There is no such thing as the perfect job. It boils down to your own attitude to a great extent. Anyone can talk themselves into loving or hating any job. Another key is research. Make sure you know what you are getting yourselves into as far as lifestyle goes before accepting a job.

Bluedevil 4444 wrote:

Flying time, is low. You are on duty alot, I mean alot. But you don't fly very much. I can only speak for the eastern bases. When I mean you don't fly alot I mean maybe 30 hours per month max. Good if you like sitting in hotel rooms alot

Well that is what life in the corporate world is like!! Some days you are up and down all day, but the majority of the time it involves waiting around somewhere. The key again is to know what you are getting into and have the right attitude going into it.

As far as " we can find someone that wants the job", all I can say is that in my 15 years of flying I have yet to work for someone that does not possess that attitude. That is not to suggest most of my jobs haven't been great.

As far as age goes, I'd think attitude is more important so give it a shot!

Axial Flow · Post by **Axial Flow** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:44 am

Air Sprint was the safest outfit I have yet to fly for and the maintenance was phenomenal. The schedule has improved since I have left and of course your on the road most of the time and lots of waiting but buyer beware...if you go for a corporate gig and expect to fly 9-5 Monday to Friday and in the air the whole time then you haven't done your research.

It is what it is and some guys really enjoy that type of flying. I personally don't like sitting in a hotel room so I moved on, but I knew what I was in for when I singed up and I had a great experience flying to a different airport every week and sometimes multiple new airports in a day in a good machine.

The company culture could improve but they aren't there to kiss your ass and praise God for you working there. I was never treated poorly by management but some people think they are owed a certain respect because they fly planes so I could see how they would find it an unhappy workplace.

If you want some good experience working for a decent company then apply, just know that you will be on the road a lot, with your daily schedule changing 15 times. If that doesn't fit into what you want, then try to go somewhere that will. Good Luck.

SQ · Post by SQ » Tue Nov 20, 2007 8:54 am

Axial
your experience is interesting
even if Airsprint provides high quality service, 12OOhrs for F/O on a PC12 is a bit

but this is an old debate...

co-joe · Post by **co-joe** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 10:53 pm

C-HRIS wrote:...
In your resume, try to emphasize the fact that you want to make a career in the corporate/fractional industry.

You mean lie through your teeth?

sorry C-HRIS couldn't resist...

Axial Flow · Post by **Axial Flow** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:04 am

SQ

They want Captains not FO's because of their growth rate they want people they can throw in the left seat after 6 months to a year as they get more aircraft and Captain's flow through to the jet.

They do hire 250 hour guys to go right seat but they do a year or so in dispatch before they go flight line and they are right seat for a long time. Same reason why WestJet over time lowered their requirements....because they no longer had the right to left seat conversions happening so quickly so guys would be sitting right seat for longer periods of time.

Cheers,

mathias_now · Post by **mathias_now** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:15 am

What’s considered a "long time" to be sitting right seat?

SQ · Post by SQ » Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:11 pm

Axial Flow wrote:
They do hire 250 hour guys to go right seat but they do a year or so in dispatch before they go flight line and they are right seat for a long time. Same reason why WestJet over time lowered their requirements....because they no longer had the right to left seat conversions happening so quickly so guys would be sitting right seat for longer periods of time.

Cheers,

thanx for that .
Can't they keep their captain long enough to let the lower guys build
hours and evolve within airsprint?
that would be much more profitable for them in recruitment/training cost, no ?

Axial Flow · Post by **Axial Flow** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:34 am

Times are good and a lot of people want AC/Jazz/WJ so they just move on and also lots of guys want more home time....As for making things cheaper training wise... I don't think money is a problem when it gets billed out to others via monthly aircraft management fees

Cheers,

mathias_now · Post by **mathias_now** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 9:25 am

Hello,

Does anyone think Sprint would hire a low time pilot, 250hrs single-ifr, with a PPC on the PC12?

Thanks,

MN

Roadtrippin' · Post by **Roadtrippin'** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 11:46 am

A PPC on the PC/12 is fairly useless because it needs to be coupled with the manditory Simcom training to fly single engine IFR w/ pax. I believe Sprint does PCC's for the F/O's on the -12

Roadtrippin' · Post by **Roadtrippin'** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 11:51 am

besides the fact that you're probably not gonna have a PPC on PC12 at 250hrs. And if you did it would expire before you had the 1800hrs required to go left seat anyways. Just give their CP a call and ask what their thoughts are on hiring low time guys...I'm sure he'll give you the skinny.

mathias_now · Post by **mathias_now** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 5:04 pm

Roadtrippin',

That’s a very good point. I don't have one; I was just inquiring because I really want to fly the PC12 and I was looking for a way to stand out from the people with the same goal. I know the PC12 doesn’t really open many, if any, doors in the Multi/airliner world but it’s a turbine, and a nice one at that. I’ve been told you have to be sure it’s the plane/atmosphere you wish to be in. I’ve thought about it, long and hard, and have come to the conclusion corporate style flying is for me. There are good stories and bad stories about Sprint, but the good far out weigh the bad, and some things people think are bad, I see as good. I guess it’s just a matter of personal preference. I’m the type of person who is 100% committed to aviation, and everything else comes second. I’ve been warned many times that Sprint/corporate life style isn’t as glorious as it seems and not to sell myself short, but I’m pretty set on the career goal to fly the PC12. I’ve never been interested in flying airliner. My dad took the airliner route; I however, wish to pursue my own path in general/corporate aviation hopefully with Sprint or a similar outfit.

Any advice?

MN

Red Line · Post by **Red Line** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 5:20 pm

My advice: don't buy a PC-12 PPC or any PPC for that matter!

But seriously, if you wanna fly a PC-12 (and I don't blame you at all!) there are a zillion PC-12 operators out there. For example there's at least 5 operators that fly PC-12's in Northwestern Ontario alone!

I believe it was you that was asking about Confed on another thread? Go to YQT and I'm sure you'll get your PC-12 fix

Best of luck.

Red

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