Approach ban changes

ettw · Post by **ettw** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:03 pm

Just thought I would throw this up to see what the consensus is on the topic.

Cheers,

ETTW

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:17 am

Lets bump the limits up to 1000 feet, and 3 miles! There, if you follow the governments line of thought, there would NEVER be an approach accident. Because we all know how few aircraft manage to roll it up in a ball in VFR conditions! The whole bloody thing is horse shit!

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:19 am

I'd like to hear from ONE actual PILOT, who thinks raising the approach limit will solve the problem! Or ONE that even THINKS there IS a problem?

Daart · Post by **Daart** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 7:05 am

Most CFIT accidents happen during vfr ops. Maybe special vfr limits should be raised from 1 mile and clear of cloud. Whenever a navajo or whatever rolls up into a ball the transport gods go into full spaz mode and come up with these retarded ideas like the approach ban. Maybe we should just park everything, then we will all be safe, and our protectors will be happy.

ettw · Post by **ettw** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:56 am

Maybe we should just park everything, then we will all be safe, and our protectors will be happy.

They might be reactionary but they won't legislate themselves out of a job. That would not be very self serving, would it?

I'm pretty sure that this amendment comes from only IFR approach and landing accidents. Amending the IFR limits to reflect a high accident rate for VFR or Special VFR OPS wouldn't make any sense , even for TC.

Cheers,

ETTW

Old Spice · Post by **Old Spice** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 10:06 am

It's pretty sad really, as I understand it the approach ban will only be in effect when there is reported vis or an RVR. Therefore in the crappiest places with an NDB only and circling approach, poor runway lighting (lucky to have papi or vasi) and "unofficial" or no weather reporting you can shoot approaches in any weather till the cows come home. This is no different than what exists now.

Meanwhile at the better airports where there are trained observers, AWOS and/or RVR, better approaches and proper runway lighting you will be restricted.

In the first case these conditions exist primarily in communities that rely almost soley on air transport. But since it's just a bunch of Metro's and Navajo's flying some nobodies around it just isn't that important.

The government can have a more immediate and lasting impact investing in facilities and infrastructure at our airports rather than throwing money at faulty legislation.

dolly_dice · Post by **dolly_dice** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:54 pm

So now I need 75% of the recomended VIS. So my 700ft 1 1/2 approach ban is in effect (703)...okay I have the ground, like to request a special. Now I zip to 300 ft clear of cloud in 1 mile. Is that any safer? You know it f#$% when Beaver's can fly and MIFR can't.

Approach ban changes

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Approach ban changes