Cool videos: Cessna 152/172, Citabria, Pitts S2B

acemccool · Post by **acemccool** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 8:36 am

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=harv%27s+air

Justwannafly · Post by **Justwannafly** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 4:39 pm

Is this adam trying to draw in extra students?

looproll · Post by **looproll** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 10:45 pm

looks like a shameless plug if you ask me!

Hedley · Post by **Hedley** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 7:15 am

Manitoba vs Florida:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx_ui2qWgqI

Sure Shot · Post by **Sure Shot** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 7:43 am

looproll wrote:looks like a shameless plug if you ask me!

ya thats pretty ghey

looproll · Post by **looproll** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 6:57 pm

Manitoba vs Florida:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx_ui2qWgqI

square · Post by **square** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:09 pm

Florida vs the Motherland?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVHkIQ7D-5A

...she's so sexy

looproll · Post by **looproll** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 12:53 am

a very cool video, and yes she is uber hot

bob sacamano · Post by **bob sacamano** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 8:58 am

I like the spin training video, where the airplane does not even enter a spin

i guess it's alright, indian students will love it and think it's great.

cyxe · Post by **cyxe** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 2:57 pm

bob sacamano wrote:I like the spin training video, where the airplane does not even enter a spin

The rear seat is occupied in the spin videos...isn't that a no no for utility category in a 172 ??

Norskman · Post by **Norskman** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 7:49 pm

cyxe wrote:The rear seat is occupied in the spin videos...isn't that a no no for utility category in a 172 ??

My ground school handbook for a 172N states on page 52:

Intentional spins are approved in this airplane within certain restricted loadings. Spins with baggage loadings or occupied rear seat(s) are not approved.

Perhaps there some kind of authorization you can get for this a/c to overcome that limitation?

Justwannafly · Post by **Justwannafly** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:45 am

Norskman wrote:
cyxe wrote:The rear seat is occupied in the spin videos...isn't that a no no for utility category in a 172 ??
My ground school handbook for a 172N states on page 52:
Intentional spins are approved in this airplane within certain restricted loadings. Spins with baggage loadings or occupied rear seat(s) are not approved.
Perhaps there some kind of authorization you can get for this a/c to overcome that limitation?

hehe good point I didn't even notice that...& yep to my knowledge all 172's have that back seat restriction

bob sacamano · Post by **bob sacamano** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 8:03 am

where's capt'sweet'n'juicy now to send this to the authorities. Mind you, the airplane never entered a spin.

Hedley · Post by **Hedley** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:50 am

Sean "pull the D ring" Tucker:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMOOCMjTGaU&NR

Kilo-Kilo · Post by **Kilo-Kilo** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:38 pm

Hedley wrote:Sean "pull the D ring" Tucker:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMOOCMjTGaU&NR

That tumble at 3:10 was awesome!

Norskman · Post by **Norskman** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:03 pm

bob sacamano wrote:where's capt'sweet'n'juicy now to send this to the authorities. Mind you, the airplane never entered a spin.

Again, from the 172N handbook:

Application of recovery controls will produce prompt recoveries (within 1/4 turn).

So maybe they did, maybe they didn't. I would imagine that they did, since the video is entitled "Harv's Air Pilot Training presents spin training from four camera angles"

bob sacamano · Post by **bob sacamano** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:55 pm

Norskman wrote:
bob sacamano wrote:where's capt'sweet'n'juicy now to send this to the authorities. Mind you, the airplane never entered a spin.
Again, from the 172N handbook:
Application of recovery controls will produce prompt recoveries (within 1/4 turn).
So maybe they did, maybe they didn't. I would imagine that they did, since the video is entitled "Harv's Air Pilot Training presents spin training from four camera angles"

From your last post you said you're still in PPL land. I won't try to teach you on here, but what you saw in that "spin" video is the incipient stage of a spin, that was nowhere near a spin.

Some flight schools also say that once you're done you can fly for air canada, you believe them as well?

From what you quoted and then commented, it seems to me that you missunderstood what the manual was telling you.

. ._ · Post by **. ._** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:00 pm

Kilo-Kilo wrote:
Hedley wrote:Sean "pull the D ring" Tucker:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMOOCMjTGaU&NR
That tumble at 3:10 was awesome!

No SHIT!! I gotta tumble a plane one day before I die.

-istp

Oh yeah, just a quick question Hedley- what kind of G loading is on the wings in a tumble like that?

Norskman · Post by **Norskman** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:45 pm

bob sacamano wrote:From your last post you said you're still in PPL land. I won't try to teach you on here, but what you saw in that "spin" video is the incipient stage of a spin, that was nowhere near a spin.

Some flight schools also say that once you're done you can fly for air canada, you believe them as well?

From what you quoted and then commented, it seems to me that you missunderstood what the manual was telling you.

Well I like to learn, so lemme get this straight.
The spin constists of 3 stages:
1. Incipient stage
2. Fully developed stage
3. Recovery

The FTM states that the incipient stage can consist of approx. the first 2 turns.
So you are saying that I can enter a spin of up to 2 turns and recover, without actually having done a spin? How can you be in a stage of a spin, without being in the spin?

If I am misunderstanding, I would really like to know.

Lurch · Post by **Lurch** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 8:25 pm

bob sacamano wrote:
Norskman wrote:
bob sacamano wrote:where's capt'sweet'n'juicy now to send this to the authorities. Mind you, the airplane never entered a spin.
Again, from the 172N handbook:
Application of recovery controls will produce prompt recoveries (within 1/4 turn).
So maybe they did, maybe they didn't. I would imagine that they did, since the video is entitled "Harv's Air Pilot Training presents spin training from four camera angles"
From your last post you said you're still in PPL land. I won't try to teach you on here, but what you saw in that "spin" video is the incipient stage of a spin, that was nowhere near a spin.

Some flight schools also say that once you're done you can fly for air canada, you believe them as well?

From what you quoted and then commented, it seems to me that you missunderstood what the manual was telling you.

Sorry Bob but it looks like you misunderstood what the manual was telling you.

A stall with Yaw is a spin, doesn't matter how may rotations are involved. The incipient stage is just the first 2 rotations but still a spin.

Lurch

bob sacamano · Post by **bob sacamano** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:02 pm

Lurch wrote:
bob sacamano wrote:
Norskman wrote: Again, from the 172N handbook: So maybe they did, maybe they didn't. I would imagine that they did, since the video is entitled "Harv's Air Pilot Training presents spin training from four camera angles"
From your last post you said you're still in PPL land. I won't try to teach you on here, but what you saw in that "spin" video is the incipient stage of a spin, that was nowhere near a spin.

Some flight schools also say that once you're done you can fly for air canada, you believe them as well?

From what you quoted and then commented, it seems to me that you missunderstood what the manual was telling you.
Sorry Bob but it looks like you misunderstood what the manual was telling you.

A stall with Yaw is a spin, doesn't matter how may rotations are involved. The incipient stage is just the first 2 rotations but still a spin.

Lurch

Where was I wrong?

By the way, to say that 2 rotations is where you get the fully developed stage is wrong, since this varies from one airplane to another.

Lurch · Post by **Lurch** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:25 pm

I am not going into a long disscussion on the aerodynamics of a spin. two rotations is just a approximate number for the A/C to proceed into the fully delevelped stage. If you want the whole briefing I'll have to charge you $65 per hour.

As for what you said wrong "what you saw in that "spin" video is the incipient stage of a spin, that was nowhere near a spin."

The spin starts as soon as there is a wing drop during a stall.

Read up on a topic before trying to make a educated response on a training forum. The Flight Training Manual will help you achieve a basic knowledge on how an airplane works. You should be able to purchase it at any flight training unit, while your there talk to an instructor and they should be able to explain it in terms you can understand.

Lurch

Justwannafly · Post by **Justwannafly** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:52 pm

The spin starts as soon as there is a wing drop during a stall.

I had a discusion about that with some co-workers this summer & we descided that legaly a spin starts after 180 degree rotation...B4 that its just a wingdrop

Lurch · Post by **Lurch** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 12:03 am

Justwannafly wrote:
The spin starts as soon as there is a wing drop during a stall.
I had a discusion about that with some co-workers this summer & we descided that legaly a spin starts after 180 degree rotation...B4 that its just a wingdrop

Is there a legal definition?

Ok lets go with that for a second, How do you recover when the wing drops and rotates you 90 degrees?

If you start the recovery and add power or leave on the power before the rotation stops the yaw from the full power will worsen the rotation, so would you leave/reduce the power off until the dropped wing is levelled? If so this is spin recovery.

I don't/wouldn't mention the term legal to my students when discussing emergency recoveries I don't want them playing with the limits.

Lurch

Justwannafly · Post by **Justwannafly** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 2:36 am

I don't/wouldn't mention the term legal to my students when discussing emergency recoveries I don't want them playing with the limits.

Nore do/would I...However we arn't talk'n about teaching spins...just if they enter'd a spin in the video...Personaly I don't know/care BUT all I was saying was that legaly speaking it doesn't start until 180 degree mark. That being said I also said that it was something that we (a group of instructors) descided by looking at various CARs statments....I didn't say that TC agreed with us cuase I don't know...