After having to wait thirty minutes (in freezing drizzle) fo a single IFR inbound to do a full arc approach (too stupid to go direct the FAF and turn left?) on 26, last week, I must wonder...is there not a better way? No radar coverage, so the controller wont issue a clearance off 26 with a "runway heading till radar identified"....WTF? Seems pretty simple to me? Now, in uncontrolled airspace (eg. YPL) we, as pilots can sort it out. So, why is YRL so anal?
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YRL...should it be UNcontrolled airspace?
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Re: YRL...should it be UNcontrolled airspace?
Depanding on icing conditions aloft, I don't know what they were that day, why didn't you ask the inbound if they minded holding while you departed and got out of the -FZDZ???Doc wrote:After having to wait thirty minutes (in freezing drizzle) fo a single IFR inbound to do a full arc approach (too stupid to go direct the FAF and turn left?) on 26, last week, I must wonder...is there not a better way? No radar coverage, so the controller wont issue a clearance off 26 with a "runway heading till radar identified"....WTF? Seems pretty simple to me? Now, in uncontrolled airspace (eg. YPL) we, as pilots can sort it out. So, why is YRL so anal?
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superiorwhore
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Re: YRL...should it be UNcontrolled airspace?
Why would you fly in fzdz anyway?Doc wrote:After having to wait thirty minutes (in freezing drizzle) fo a single IFR inbound to do a full arc approach (too stupid to go direct the FAF and turn left?) on 26, last week, I must wonder...is there not a better way? No radar coverage, so the controller wont issue a clearance off 26 with a "runway heading till radar identified"....WTF? Seems pretty simple to me? Now, in uncontrolled airspace (eg. YPL) we, as pilots can sort it out. So, why is YRL so anal?
Go for it...
Where was said plane coming from? if it was lets say anywhere from the 010 degree to the 160 degree radial I wouldn't go direct the FAF either as your final turn would be to steep.
Pretty stupid of you to jump all over people and call them down on here, maybe it is you that needs to take a pill, seems as of lately all you are doing is bitching about others and how wrong they are, making yourself sound all high and mighty, never being in the wrong.
Relax.
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superiorwhore.....if you can't go direct to an FAF, then either execute a quick procedure turn, or turn final, you could use some dual. The real question, however is...should YRL be uncontrolled? I used this situation as an example of how it would work better in uncontrolled airspace? But, it's a question that FSS/ATC people would be better equipped to answer, due mainly to their higher degree of literacy?
And I'm not naming names, or times...so, how is that "jumping all over people, and calling them down"? Taking this a little personally, are we not?
We were able to shut down, and deice, during the time the guy took to do an approach.
And I'm not naming names, or times...so, how is that "jumping all over people, and calling them down"? Taking this a little personally, are we not?
We were able to shut down, and deice, during the time the guy took to do an approach.
cpl_atc...pretty sure he's GPS equipped. It was no training flight. And the ceiling was better than 700 feet. If he did the whole arc as published, he'd have been picking up moderate ice the whole time. But, again, I use this incident as an example only.
I guess, I'm picking on YRL because it's similar to YPL in traffic movements. Neither has radar coverage. One is controlled, one isn't. And YPL works way better. I keep hearing about controller's "comfort" levels, and the easiest way to increase their "comfort" level may be, to remove them the equation? If we can "self separate" in YPL, and pick up a clearance in the air, why can't we do the same in YRL?
I guess, I'm picking on YRL because it's similar to YPL in traffic movements. Neither has radar coverage. One is controlled, one isn't. And YPL works way better. I keep hearing about controller's "comfort" levels, and the easiest way to increase their "comfort" level may be, to remove them the equation? If we can "self separate" in YPL, and pick up a clearance in the air, why can't we do the same in YRL?
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Doc, while I can relate to your situation, (I've had a few delays in YRL in my past life) I think CPL hit it right on the head. There are low level airways in and around Red that would be a major stumbling block to making it uncontrolled airspace. Maybe some of our posters from ATC can help out with this one??
