Rampie Vs. Pilot Pay

anywaiss · Post by **anywaiss** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 7:29 pm

just curious how many of you out there have worked or work for a company that pays their rampies more than their starting FO's / pilots.. like many, i took a pay cut when i went from a ramp to flying position when i first started... i've even heard of most companies paying starting FA's more than starting pilots.. why is it so fucked up like this.

JohnnyHotRocks · Post by **JohnnyHotRocks** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 7:44 pm

why is it so fucked up like this.

Because guys like you took a paycut in order to log flying time...that's why....

anywaiss · Post by **anywaiss** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 7:47 pm

JohnnyHotRocks wrote:
why is it so fucked up like this.
Because guys like you took a paycut in order to log flying time...that's why....

oh i'm sorry.. did you buy your first job with an instructor rating?

JohnnyHotRocks · Post by **JohnnyHotRocks** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 7:49 pm

No...I worked ramp and made MORE when I transitioned to flying...that's how it is supposed to work...

beechy · Post by **beechy** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 8:18 pm

oh i'm sorry.. did you buy your first job with an instructor rating?

why did you buy yours with a multi-ifr rating......by working ramp? we are all sluts.....act desperate get treated as such.

raven54 · Post by **raven54** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 8:53 pm

well...at our company the pay structure was set for f/a's based on an expected "X" number of hours, then it turned out that the airplanes flew a shit load more than expected....which equals...wait for it..more pay.

CaptainHaddock · Post by **CaptainHaddock** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 9:13 pm

I didn't work the ramp, I looked hard and lucked out and my first aviation job was flying-and yes the wages were less than I was making as a room service waiter/accounting pleib/diesel mechanic/etc-but I enjoyed the job a hell of a lot more. Why is this topic continually beaten to death?. It's not just aviation, many people are working longer/harder and receiving less. If you're looking for good return on your effort, get a skilled trade.

twinpratts · Post by **twinpratts** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 9:27 pm

It's the same thing @ Jazz, & Mainline too.
(But I get crew water. HA! Take THAT Rampies!

)

JohnnyHotRocks · Post by **JohnnyHotRocks** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 9:33 pm

Guess that's why I wont be going to Jazz or Mainline

ScudRunner · Post by **ScudRunner** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:55 pm

Worked for a well known "YVR based smaller Airline" ramp many moons ago, was comparing with another about our T4 and what we earned in the previous year by the water cooler. A SHORTS 360 F/O that had been there longer than either of us had on the ramp butted in and said how much did you make? Jesus H Christ @#$@# #$% #$%%#$% then said "Good for you guys but thats shit, if you got on flying you would take a paycut! "

then walked away and started chatting to some of the other pilots.

maybe things have changed but it does happen

gazu · Post by **gazu** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 11:47 pm

Put it this way,I have a friend who has worked as a fueller/ramp guy for a company for 3 yrs.He is making 55,000 a year (takehome) as a supervisor now.Not bad...

bob sacamano · Post by **bob sacamano** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 8:39 am

anywaiss wrote:
JohnnyHotRocks wrote:
why is it so fucked up like this.
Because guys like you took a paycut in order to log flying time...that's why....

oh i'm sorry.. did you buy your first job with an instructor rating?

You're a knob.

B-rad · Post by **B-rad** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:03 am

KAG · Post by **KAG** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:21 am

I guess we all bought our jobs as we all did pay for our own training...

JohnnyHotRocks · Post by **JohnnyHotRocks** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:31 am

Unless you went to one of the three Ontario Flight Colleges...then the government paid for your training

Longtimer · Post by **Longtimer** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:45 am

anywaiss wrote:just curious how many of you out there have worked or work for a company that pays their rampies more than their starting FO's / pilots.. like many, i took a pay cut when i went from a ramp to flying position when i first started... i've even heard of most companies paying starting FA's more than starting pilots.. why is it so fucked up like this.

I guess the point being missed is that for the Pilot it is a starting wage and for the ramp attendant it is his top wage (except for contractual increases)

wanderer · Post by **wanderer** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:49 am

gazu wrote:Put it this way,I have a friend who has worked as a fueller/ramp guy for a company for 3 yrs.He is making 55,000 a year (takehome) as a supervisor now.Not bad...

Dude - that's about $80k a year gross.

For supervising rampies?

Where's this ramp?

Slappy the Squirrel · Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:13 pm

Dude - that's about $80k a year gross.

For supervising rampies?

Where's this ramp?

Heaven

Pete · Post by **Pete** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 6:54 pm

Take trucking for example (I only use it because I know a couple who do it). Something like that they train for, get their AZ so they can work and make $$ because they need it, as with tonnes of other professions. Then with flying, you have 18 y/o's (NOT all, but Ive met ALOT) who dont know what money is, get their 30-50K training paid for by Mom and Dad, go into the work force and would do anything to fly, even for nothing...because Mom and Dad have the survival money.

There aren't many professions who dont see an ROI within a couple years. To have to bust your nuts and take a pay cut to fly...well, I believe its thanks to the little punks who think of money as nothing more than a medium of exchange and not a necessity (sp) for survival. Id punch the phuck who offered me a flying position after ramp IF i took a pay cut.

grammar boy · Post by **grammar boy** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 7:03 pm

JohnnyHotRocks wrote:
why is it so fucked up like this.
Because guys like you took a paycut in order to log flying time...that's why....

Best post ever...

JohnnyHotRocks, send me a PM

Hot Fuel · Post by **Hot Fuel** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:14 am

Another way to look at this...How many hours were you working during the month while on the ramp, how many of those hours were paid at staight time and how many were paid at an overtime rate. How many days off did get in that month.

Now compare that to your flying job...how many days off are you scheduled for? How many hours did you work? Blah Blah Blah...its all relative.

YYC the place to be · Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:07 am

SUNWEST AVIATION $10000 a year more. I know that for sure for sure. That is not including the overtime i used to get there. I was making fat coin on the ramp there.

flynfiddle · Post by **flynfiddle** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:12 pm

So tell me, who here didn't know the pay sucked starting out in this industry? Oh, that's right, everyone believed the line of horsesh!t the flight clubs and colleges fed them about the "pilot shortage". "You too can be on a 777 in no time". Gimme a break. We all signed up for this.

As for rampies making more than entry level pilots, that is not right but I know I wouldn't want to go back to the ramp for more money. If you want to drive truck or work at whatever for more money, power to ya buddy, I'll stick with flying.

Fline@9 · Post by **Fline@9** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:52 pm

Pilots are whores, that might be a fact. Another fact is that the whores I know that are worth anything charge accordingly.

Blame yourself if you're not happy making what you make wherever you are. If you're worth it, get out and prove it. Otherwise, gear up, flaps up and shut up.

nimbostratus · Post by **nimbostratus** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 9:28 am

I became a pilot for the Chicks and the Money...!!!!

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