I'm now a private pilot.
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I'm now a private pilot.
My ATPL medical lapsed on the first of Oct. and I have finally come full circle back to a private pilot.
So when I get my Cub finished hopefully by summer I will not be able to fly as a flight instructor so will have to change my designation to flight consultant.
But the sun will still rise in the east and set in the west and life will go on.
As a consultant how much more can I charge per hour while teaching people how to fly?
Cat
So when I get my Cub finished hopefully by summer I will not be able to fly as a flight instructor so will have to change my designation to flight consultant.
But the sun will still rise in the east and set in the west and life will go on.
As a consultant how much more can I charge per hour while teaching people how to fly?
Cat
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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If I accept any more over 12.5 stuff I will just go get my medical and presto I will be insurable again." On a serious note, is there a weight limit for a PPL? Does this mean you're out of the 12.5 and above business? "
TC wouldn't allow me to teach under an OC so I will just have to become a consultant and for that I do not need any type of pilot license, but by keeping a private I can fly my own Cub when I don't have a licensed pilot to consult.
Actually TC did me a favour in that I don't have to suffer through all the paperwork and other B.S. that would have been necessary had I received my OC.
All I need to do now is decide how much more I can charge for this special training.
It will be unique in Canada as far as I know I will be the only one offering such a service.
Anyone have any suggestion as to what I can call my new business?
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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Cat, you can't fly over 12.5? Always thought you could fly anything stamped on the licence? Too bad about you couldn't run an FTU under an OC. A lot of potential PPL students will be the poorer for it...IMHO!
Did you let your medical lapse.....or did you not study hard enough for the urine test?
You have a great Christmas .!
Did you let your medical lapse.....or did you not study hard enough for the urine test?
You have a great Christmas .!
".'s Flying Circus" or "Cat's Flying Circus", whatever name you prefer to go by in the non-forum real world.
The "circus" part is to pay tongue-in-cheek homage to the TC regulated world your 'clients' will have to go play in, once they're done being consulted by you. After all, the real world (as it relates to this industry) is just as bizzar as anything the Monty Python crew could ever come up with.
The "circus" part is to pay tongue-in-cheek homage to the TC regulated world your 'clients' will have to go play in, once they're done being consulted by you. After all, the real world (as it relates to this industry) is just as bizzar as anything the Monty Python crew could ever come up with.
Cheers,
Brew
Brew
How 'bout MAF- Mercenary Aviation Fellowship.
Welcome home to the PPL. Holders of this license seem to me to be the happiest, because they are truly only doing it for the enjoyment. Most CASARA pilots are non-professionals, and do an outstanding job that some of the 'professionals' here at Avcanada will never aspire to.
As for the 12.5 thing, my 'A' and my Instructor rating are both valid. I'd be happy to let you piggyback on my license any time you get the need/opportunity. I'll even take the ugly one!
Welcome home to the PPL. Holders of this license seem to me to be the happiest, because they are truly only doing it for the enjoyment. Most CASARA pilots are non-professionals, and do an outstanding job that some of the 'professionals' here at Avcanada will never aspire to.
As for the 12.5 thing, my 'A' and my Instructor rating are both valid. I'd be happy to let you piggyback on my license any time you get the need/opportunity. I'll even take the ugly one!
Aviation- the hardest way possible to make an easy living!
"You can bomb the world to pieces, but you can't bomb it into peace!" Michael Franti- Spearhead
"Trust everyone, but cut the cards". My Grandma.
"You can bomb the world to pieces, but you can't bomb it into peace!" Michael Franti- Spearhead
"Trust everyone, but cut the cards". My Grandma.
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More pilots should look at working outside of the reach of Government rules, just sit and think about the savings you will realize not having to pay all those fees like EI. and Workers Comp. and not to mention the fees you have to pay to TC to get their approval for something you can already do better than them.
Another of my friends just shut the doors on his AMO after a life time of fixing airplanes he finally got fed up with the madness of spending more time with a pen in hand rather than a wrench in hand.
I work in a world that does not require me to pay an accountant to do my books.
There is no need to keep books if you stay out of the clutches of Government.
Working in the barter system will allow you to pocket your earnings instead of being extorted by drones.
There is all kinds of barter, one of the most clean is time for cash.
Cat
Another of my friends just shut the doors on his AMO after a life time of fixing airplanes he finally got fed up with the madness of spending more time with a pen in hand rather than a wrench in hand.
I work in a world that does not require me to pay an accountant to do my books.
There is no need to keep books if you stay out of the clutches of Government.
Working in the barter system will allow you to pocket your earnings instead of being extorted by drones.
There is all kinds of barter, one of the most clean is time for cash.
Cat
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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Thanks for the name Airtids, it is about as close as the English language will get.
With regard to my ALPL all I need that for is to protect my clients with regard to insurance, and I can renew it at any time by getting a medical. I have yet to have an airplane ask me for my license before it would let me fly it.
Hopefully I don't get caught up in the over seas stuff again, I've had enough of being away from home, but the money sure comes in handy.
The way I figure it is if I charge say $150.00 per hour for my Cub, and just toss in consulting as part of the rental fee I clear around $100.00 per hour. Remember it is a home built so I do everything including maintenance.
It is a huge drop in pay for me but money is not everything.
With regard to my ALPL all I need that for is to protect my clients with regard to insurance, and I can renew it at any time by getting a medical. I have yet to have an airplane ask me for my license before it would let me fly it.
Hopefully I don't get caught up in the over seas stuff again, I've had enough of being away from home, but the money sure comes in handy.
The way I figure it is if I charge say $150.00 per hour for my Cub, and just toss in consulting as part of the rental fee I clear around $100.00 per hour. Remember it is a home built so I do everything including maintenance.
It is a huge drop in pay for me but money is not everything.
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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Without prejudice:
Since you can’t do anything for “hire or reward” without a commercial licence, how is it that you will do instructing, or be hired in any way to operate an aircraft?
Don’t get upset with me, I just want to understand, since it seems an interesting comment.
Also, what do you mean that TC will not let you teach float flying under an FTU cert?? I know they can’t refuse you doing anything you have a licence for.
Since you can’t do anything for “hire or reward” without a commercial licence, how is it that you will do instructing, or be hired in any way to operate an aircraft?
Don’t get upset with me, I just want to understand, since it seems an interesting comment.
Also, what do you mean that TC will not let you teach float flying under an FTU cert?? I know they can’t refuse you doing anything you have a licence for.
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" Without prejudice:
I own an airplane, private registered, I rent the airplane to a licensed pilot. The licensed pilot then uses me as a consultant. That way I am not a flight instructor just a consultant. As long as the person wants my advise on how to fly and is willing to pay for my advise then there is nothing illegal about it.
It is quite legal for me to consult about anything in aviation and as long as the pilot has a float plane rating and a valid license and medical he can have a consultant riding along to give advice.
I have been through the legalities of this with the Director General Transport Canada, in my own home when he spent a day here on the pretense that he was going to bring about a fair resolutoin to the TC M&M fiasco that I was involved in.
Anyhow, I told the Director General exactly what I was planning on doing and the bottom line is they can not do anything about me being a consultant on how to fly.
So it's quite simple, they refused to approve me to teach under a FTU OC so I will just do it another way. It is highly unlikely that TCCA would open up the file again by trying to stop me from earning a living legally. Even though they are arrogant and think they are above the law I doubt that they are stupid enough to try and prevent me from earning a living legally for the second time.
As far as having a pilots license goes, I can renew my ATPL by getting a medical, right now I don't need it and technically I don't need any license to act as a consultant.
Cat
Well that is quite simple.Since you can’t do anything for “hire or reward” without a commercial licence, how is it that you will do instructing, or be hired in any way to operate an aircraft?
I own an airplane, private registered, I rent the airplane to a licensed pilot. The licensed pilot then uses me as a consultant. That way I am not a flight instructor just a consultant. As long as the person wants my advise on how to fly and is willing to pay for my advise then there is nothing illegal about it.
Far from being upset, I am only to happy to explain what I will be doing.Don’t get upset with me, I just want to understand, since it seems an interesting comment.
It is quite legal for me to consult about anything in aviation and as long as the pilot has a float plane rating and a valid license and medical he can have a consultant riding along to give advice.
I have been through the legalities of this with the Director General Transport Canada, in my own home when he spent a day here on the pretense that he was going to bring about a fair resolutoin to the TC M&M fiasco that I was involved in.
Anyhow, I told the Director General exactly what I was planning on doing and the bottom line is they can not do anything about me being a consultant on how to fly.
They would not approve my application for an FTU, then told two of my clients from Europe that I was operating ilegally and they would not approve any training done by me. ( Even though I was going to do the training under someone elses OC as an employee.....I can prove this beyond any doubt, I have all the documentation. ) Most of the people in aviation have no idea of what TCCA will do once they are in the circle the wagons mode protecting their own.Also, what do you mean that TC will not let you teach float flying under an FTU cert?? I know they can’t refuse you doing anything you have a licence for.
So it's quite simple, they refused to approve me to teach under a FTU OC so I will just do it another way. It is highly unlikely that TCCA would open up the file again by trying to stop me from earning a living legally. Even though they are arrogant and think they are above the law I doubt that they are stupid enough to try and prevent me from earning a living legally for the second time.
As far as having a pilots license goes, I can renew my ATPL by getting a medical, right now I don't need it and technically I don't need any license to act as a consultant.
Cat
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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Well, sitting in an aircraft not as pilot in command, …as a passenger but giving instruction on how to fly it, is… well treading a thin line. I’m sure someone could argue that you were receiving hire and reward for providing instruction. Just make sure the students understand that, if asked, you were not the PIC and were not giving instruction.
Seems you are putting yourself in a situation that is arguably providing training for hire and reward,… even operating an FTU.
Of course you will let us know how it goes.
As far as the other goes, The incident that you claim happened some time ago was obviously an illegal act on behalf of TC. Today they could do nothing should you decide to work for another FTU or commercial operator, and if they tried, you would have them in the palm of your hand. The Tribunal can award costs these days. Nor could they refuse to issue you an FTU cert. if you met the requirements.
As a commercial float pilot, I have looked into giving float ratings on a rented aircraft and it ain’t legal. The student has to be an owner of the aircraft. You can’t really legally rent your aircraft and then give instruction on it, as far as I know. That would really meet the definition of an FTU.
Seems you are putting yourself in a situation that is arguably providing training for hire and reward,… even operating an FTU.
Of course you will let us know how it goes.
As far as the other goes, The incident that you claim happened some time ago was obviously an illegal act on behalf of TC. Today they could do nothing should you decide to work for another FTU or commercial operator, and if they tried, you would have them in the palm of your hand. The Tribunal can award costs these days. Nor could they refuse to issue you an FTU cert. if you met the requirements.
As a commercial float pilot, I have looked into giving float ratings on a rented aircraft and it ain’t legal. The student has to be an owner of the aircraft. You can’t really legally rent your aircraft and then give instruction on it, as far as I know. That would really meet the definition of an FTU.
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Well I agree it is a thin line, and if a pilot wanted to make an arrangement with me to pass on kowledge about flying float planes I don't think they will be all that concerned about TC." Well, sitting in an aircraft not as pilot in command, …as a passenger but giving instruction on how to fly it, is… well treading a thin line. I’m sure someone could argue that you were receiving hire and reward for providing instruction. Just make sure the students understand that, if asked, you were not the PIC and were not giving instruction.
Well I guess we will wait and see, remember for over fifty years I did it within the frame work of TC's rules. I was trying to continue to do exactly that in the spring of 2001.Seems you are putting yourself in a situation that is arguably providing training for hire and reward,… even operating an FTU.
Giving advanced flight instruction to licensed pilots does not require a FTU OC.
You can count on it.Of course you will let us know how it goes.
I love the way you worded that Hornblower, using the word claim sort of sounds like you don't believe it happened.As far as the other goes, The incident that you claim happened some time ago was obviously an illegal act on behalf of TC. Today they could do nothing should you decide to work for another FTU or commercial operator, and if they tried, you would have them in the palm of your hand. The Tribunal can award costs these days. Nor could they refuse to issue you an FTU cert. if you met the requirements.
I have seen what the Tribunal will do Hornblower I have asked them to interceed twice, they are no different from any other Government agency when it comes to covering up for those in power they are all the same...how much experience have you had with the tribunal?
I have no intention of giving float ratings, I will be giving my clients who will be commercial pilots with float ratings lessons on what is needed to become a bush pilot and passing on the things that I have learned flying for the past 54 years, there are some young ones who actually see the benefit is such training.As a commercial float pilot, I have looked into giving float ratings on a rented aircraft and it ain’t legal.
You may have difficulty beliveing this Hornblower but there are people in aviation who actually would hire someone who I trained.....I wonder why??
Hornblower, you are probably a well meaning person, however trust me I am very, very conversant with the rules and regulations having owned several OC's in the past and after fighting TC for three years and beat them at their own game I have the next thing to a degree in air law and CAR's.The student has to be an owner of the aircraft. You can’t really legally rent your aircraft and then give instruction on it, as far as I know. That would really meet the definition of an FTU.
Cat
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
I am also back to just a PP. What a waste of time and money trying to fly for a living was.
Kids get a real job like a dentist or firefighter or cop or lawyer (well maybe not this one cause they are as crooked as most in aviation) and buy your own aircraft to enjoy the sky!
Kids get a real job like a dentist or firefighter or cop or lawyer (well maybe not this one cause they are as crooked as most in aviation) and buy your own aircraft to enjoy the sky!
Putting money into aviation is like wiping before you poop....it just don't make sense!
Hey .,
I like it!
I doubt you even need a pilot's license of any description to be a consultant. As an aircraft owner you should be able to rent block time to anyone with a valid pilot's license. Very cool! Such beauty in uncomplicated simplicity.
Enjoy the holidays,
David
I like it!
I doubt you even need a pilot's license of any description to be a consultant. As an aircraft owner you should be able to rent block time to anyone with a valid pilot's license. Very cool! Such beauty in uncomplicated simplicity.
Enjoy the holidays,
David
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Thanks David:
Yes it is always the simple things that people overlook.
I'm still trying to deal with TC screwing me out of my retirement savings.
I had worked for four years in Africa to save up enough money to start a small flying school as a retirement project and was stunned to lose it all because I couldn't get approved by M&M.
Even when I was going through all the levels of appeal from the head of M&M in Ottawa to the DGCA and Quality Assurance and finally the Tribunal I thought it would all be solved.
It took two and a half years of my life and everything I had saved to end up with nothing but a piece of paper admitting that TC had denied me due process....the very basic concept of law.
I had to work overseas for four more years to get caught up enough so I can retire with what I set out to do, teach young kids how to get a job and stay alive flying.
I guess in the end I managed to salvage something because it will be wonderful not having to deal with TC anymore.
Anyhow life goes on and I am far from finished with a few TC parasites.
Cat.
Yes it is always the simple things that people overlook.
I'm still trying to deal with TC screwing me out of my retirement savings.
I had worked for four years in Africa to save up enough money to start a small flying school as a retirement project and was stunned to lose it all because I couldn't get approved by M&M.
Even when I was going through all the levels of appeal from the head of M&M in Ottawa to the DGCA and Quality Assurance and finally the Tribunal I thought it would all be solved.
It took two and a half years of my life and everything I had saved to end up with nothing but a piece of paper admitting that TC had denied me due process....the very basic concept of law.
I had to work overseas for four more years to get caught up enough so I can retire with what I set out to do, teach young kids how to get a job and stay alive flying.
I guess in the end I managed to salvage something because it will be wonderful not having to deal with TC anymore.
Anyhow life goes on and I am far from finished with a few TC parasites.
Cat.
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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I used the word “claim” only because you make the claim, and I don’t know this from another source. I am not trying to indicate doubt in any way, … I hope you understand that. I fully believe that what you say happened, … happened. I just don’t know what exactly happened, other than what you have said on this forum. I looked on the TC website, and can’t find any reference to the tribunal jurisprudence for your case though, … is it under another name besides .?
I also missed the point about giving instruction to people who already had a float rating. I see in that case, how it may not be flight instruction; however I would still make sure that the person “renting” your plane had insurance coverage.
And I have no difficulty believing that you are an experienced float pilot, and that many could benefit from your instruction. Please do not interpret my curiosity as doubt, or we will end up pissed at each other for no reason, … like last time. I am simply interested in your take, on what I have, in the past, determined to be not legally possible. I must admit I hadn’t considered instructing people who already had a float rating. I am thinking that the market for such training would be very limited.
I also missed the point about giving instruction to people who already had a float rating. I see in that case, how it may not be flight instruction; however I would still make sure that the person “renting” your plane had insurance coverage.
And I have no difficulty believing that you are an experienced float pilot, and that many could benefit from your instruction. Please do not interpret my curiosity as doubt, or we will end up pissed at each other for no reason, … like last time. I am simply interested in your take, on what I have, in the past, determined to be not legally possible. I must admit I hadn’t considered instructing people who already had a float rating. I am thinking that the market for such training would be very limited.
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My case never came in front of the Tribunal, the Tribunal refused to hear it as they claimed that wrong doing by TCCA management in the approval process of an OC appplication was outside their jurisdiction. By the way I twice appealed to the Tribunal and was turned down twice.I used the word “claim” only because you make the claim, and I don’t know this from another source. I am not trying to indicate doubt in any way, … I hope you understand that. I fully believe that what you say happened, … happened. I just don’t know what exactly happened, other than what you have said on this forum. I looked on the TC website, and can’t find any reference to the tribunal jurisprudence for your case though, … is it under another name besides .?
Of course I will.I also missed the point about giving instruction to people who already had a float rating. I see in that case, how it may not be flight instruction; however I would still make sure that the person “renting” your plane had insurance coverage.
Well as to how many commercial pilots would avail themselves of my training I have no idea.And I have no difficulty believing that you are an experienced float pilot, and that many could benefit from your instruction. Please do not interpret my curiosity as doubt, or we will end up pissed at each other for no reason, … like last time. I am simply interested in your take, on what I have, in the past, determined to be not legally possible. I must admit I hadn’t considered instructing people who already had a float rating. I am thinking that the market for such training would be very limited.
I do suspect that there would be a few operators who would take a second look at a new hire who had documentation that he had taken an advanced flying course from me due to the sucess of my training courses in the past.
I am trying to decide if I should build two sets of wings for my Cub, one normal set for float flying and one set for the aerobatic version. If I were to neglect to offer the tail wheel and basic aerobatic training I would be turning out a product that was only half trained. I will probably just build two Cubs, one on amphib floats and one clipped wing aerobatic version.
As to the market for such training that remains to be seen.
I may use my insurance contacts in London to set up a franchise type training program for bush flying.
Lets suppose that I never get even one student the only real disapointment for me would be losing the pleasure of shoving the need for an OC right up TCCA's ass.
I would still have a neat Cub on amphibs to play with in my retirement years.
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.