HMMM
There's some mention about needing to do a course that seems to be run by a company that has a monopoly on pre-training candidates for NCA
Does this sound like buying a job as well or buying an opportunity for a job
Considering it is compulsory
"North Cariboo endorses and uses the Inflight Institute. com for all Flight Attendant hiring. "
"Candidates must provide a certification of completion prior to being considered for employment. "
And the web addy is "www.inflightinstitute.com/northcariboo.htm"
is this the new PPC in the industry
Flight Attendants (North Cariboo Air)
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Flight Attendants (North Cariboo Air)
Last edited by Clarence on Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:10 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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i was always confused by that website... i mean, i was an FA for quite a while, i had to be trained on each AC type and their respective emergency procedures within the company... my training had nothing to do with smiles and buh-byes... Each company has a TC approved training course... Is this "inflight" course similar to "police foundations"? a course that shows you have interest, but...really, you will have to be trained regardless... I don't get it - any one have any experience on that course? curious, c'est tout.
buh-bye, buh bye now.
buh-bye, buh bye now.
Somebody had to bite and it looks like Schlem your the winner
There are many posts here about paying and not paying for the ability to apply or work with a aviation company, and there are many thoughts on what is right and what isnt.
My question was to provoke conversation here, when a company makes it mandatory for training that is one thing, but when they say it has to be done in a specific school doesnt that even hit harder then the company asking you to have a PPC before they hire you.
Yes you can have the job son if you get a PPC(flying)
Yes you can have the job son if you go to our school and pay
for your training(FA)
And Schlem what 200bux represents to one may be the same as what 5-7000 means to another, some people have money and some dont, although this gets away from my real point which was simply
they make you go to one place and one place only to get this
pre-application training done
Is this right, what do you think???????
There are many posts here about paying and not paying for the ability to apply or work with a aviation company, and there are many thoughts on what is right and what isnt.
My question was to provoke conversation here, when a company makes it mandatory for training that is one thing, but when they say it has to be done in a specific school doesnt that even hit harder then the company asking you to have a PPC before they hire you.
Yes you can have the job son if you get a PPC(flying)
Yes you can have the job son if you go to our school and pay
for your training(FA)
And Schlem what 200bux represents to one may be the same as what 5-7000 means to another, some people have money and some dont, although this gets away from my real point which was simply
they make you go to one place and one place only to get this
pre-application training done
Is this right, what do you think???????
How is it the same as paying for a PPC?
You want to become a pilot, you pay for all your initial trianing... $30,000 is what it cost me. After that any reputable company will provide further training on their own aircraft at no cost to you.
You want to become a flight attendant, you pay $200. After that any reputable company will provide further training on thier aircraft at no cost to you. This is the model NCA and many other airlines are using to hire flight attendants so what problem do you see with it?
Are there any other F/A online schools that are available besides this one?
You want to become a pilot, you pay for all your initial trianing... $30,000 is what it cost me. After that any reputable company will provide further training on their own aircraft at no cost to you.
You want to become a flight attendant, you pay $200. After that any reputable company will provide further training on thier aircraft at no cost to you. This is the model NCA and many other airlines are using to hire flight attendants so what problem do you see with it?
Are there any other F/A online schools that are available besides this one?
An individual who wishes to become a flight attendant must be employed by an air operator. A medical test is often required by the airline; once employed, the individual is trained and paid by the airline in accordance with, and must successfully complete, the airline's training program approved by the civil aviation authority (Transport Canada). Transport Canada does not approve flight attendant training done by outside organization or vocational school. Any individual who has completed flight attendant training offered by an outside organization is still required to succeed the air operator's approved training program in order to be a qualified flight attendant with that particular air operator.
Transport Canada : http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/comme ... /faq12.htm
Transport Canada : http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/comme ... /faq12.htm
The airlines will still provide all the necessary TC required trianing at no cost to the F/A employee.
I see the online course as more of an aptitude test to see if a person might be cut out for the job and or the person might see that the job isn't for them after all... much like initial PPL flight training but waaaay cheaper.
I see the online course as more of an aptitude test to see if a person might be cut out for the job and or the person might see that the job isn't for them after all... much like initial PPL flight training but waaaay cheaper.
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BINGO!!!!! TC approved COMPANY training is the only FA "course" approved. this "service" course is useless. As far as FAs in Canada are concerned, service is secondary - safety is first. So unless this "course" can touch on ALL of the aircraft operating in canada, well - as the ING guy says "save your money"...Clarence wrote:An individual who wishes to become a flight attendant must be employed by an air operator. A medical test is often required by the airline; once employed, the individual is trained and paid by the airline in accordance with, and must successfully complete, the airline's training program approved by the civil aviation authority (Transport Canada). Transport Canada does not approve flight attendant training done by outside organization or vocational school. Any individual who has completed flight attendant training offered by an outside organization is still required to succeed the air operator's approved training program in order to be a qualified flight attendant with that particular air operator.
Transport Canada : http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/comme ... /faq12.htm
Clarence and B-rad are absolutely right...it is complete BS. To specify that the training must be completed at that particular school is essentially saying that if you want to even apply as a flight attendant at NC you must come up with 200 bones for a course that won't give you any sort of TC license or endorsement.
And there is a difference between paying for your CPL and "flight attendant training". The CPL is a requirement for employment by federal regulators, this FA course is not. Once hired, FA's will need to complete NC's approved FA program.
Other schools offering flight attendant training include the Tourism Training Institute and Canadian Tourism College, and that's just in Vancouver.
What's next..."only pilots having completed [insert school name] here advanced systems course will be considered for employment"?
And there is a difference between paying for your CPL and "flight attendant training". The CPL is a requirement for employment by federal regulators, this FA course is not. Once hired, FA's will need to complete NC's approved FA program.
Other schools offering flight attendant training include the Tourism Training Institute and Canadian Tourism College, and that's just in Vancouver.
What's next..."only pilots having completed [insert school name] here advanced systems course will be considered for employment"?
How about "Only pilots who leave a resume in person after a visit with a member of flight ops will be considered for hire... all resumes sent by fax will be thrown in the garbage."HeavyG wrote:What's next..."only pilots having completed [insert school name] here advanced systems course will be considered for employment"?
How much would you spend to visit operators for a chance at your first job? I did 10,000 km on the road visiting operators and dropping resumes... not cheap by any means.
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Don't think they can - if it were the whole NC course, they would pretty much have to be hired as most FA training includes all of the emergency procedures, including Hi-Jacking and terrorism cases - yes even in NC (we're smaller and our FAs have to do it) as soon as you know what's in the secret pudding, you gotsta eat it, or change flavours every class. I am curious as to what the relation between NC and the course actually is.
Geez guys... it's not rocket science... these airlines are looking for candidates to hire who have some basic knowledge of the F/A profession prior to them starting the offical training as an employee. I'm sure having this course under their belts is not only good for the new F/A hiree as it will make learning much easier but it's also much easier on the airline when it comes to success rates of new hires.
Airlines and or any employer has the right to have whatever prerequisite training they so desire prior to hiring someone... if you don't like the idea of it then don't apply and look elsewhere. Same goes for those looking for flying jobs... if the company wants you to pay for a PPC then tell them to eat shit and look eslwhere.
What's so hard to grasp about this?
Airlines and or any employer has the right to have whatever prerequisite training they so desire prior to hiring someone... if you don't like the idea of it then don't apply and look elsewhere. Same goes for those looking for flying jobs... if the company wants you to pay for a PPC then tell them to eat shit and look eslwhere.
What's so hard to grasp about this?
Hmmm Hey Schlem
Why is it that " if you don't like the idea of it then don't apply and look
elsewhere"
But "if the company wants you to pay for a PPC then tell
them to eat shit and look elsewhere."
Why do you find it hard to except that what they are doing is most likely wrong or that this is what we are trying to figure out here. Did you or do you play a part in this somewhere?
Are you a fleecer or a fleecie?
What is it about the topic that you dont grasp???
Why is it that " if you don't like the idea of it then don't apply and look
elsewhere"
But "if the company wants you to pay for a PPC then tell
them to eat shit and look elsewhere."
Why do you find it hard to except that what they are doing is most likely wrong or that this is what we are trying to figure out here. Did you or do you play a part in this somewhere?
Are you a fleecer or a fleecie?
What is it about the topic that you dont grasp???
It means... if you don't agree with their method of hiring or the principle of having to spend some of your own money to help your chances in getting a job with said company then don't apply and look for a different company... you have a choice.
I have nothing to do with NCA or the F/A course.
If NCA stating the prospective F/A must do this particular course is the main issue of contention, I'm sure they would accept someone who had completed an F/A course from one of the companies mentioned above in YVR.
You seem to think that a free ride to becoming an F/A is the way it should be... I'm stating that it costs money to start a career, be it a pilot career or an F/A career in this case.
I'll ask you since you seem to be looking for your first flying job... would you spend your own money to go visit an operator in Yellowknife to talk with the Chief Pilot and leave a resume if it gave you a good chance at being hired or would you fax a resume and hope the phone will ring?
What length would you go to to get your first job and how much would you spend?
I have nothing to do with NCA or the F/A course.
If NCA stating the prospective F/A must do this particular course is the main issue of contention, I'm sure they would accept someone who had completed an F/A course from one of the companies mentioned above in YVR.
You seem to think that a free ride to becoming an F/A is the way it should be... I'm stating that it costs money to start a career, be it a pilot career or an F/A career in this case.
I'll ask you since you seem to be looking for your first flying job... would you spend your own money to go visit an operator in Yellowknife to talk with the Chief Pilot and leave a resume if it gave you a good chance at being hired or would you fax a resume and hope the phone will ring?
What length would you go to to get your first job and how much would you spend?
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"When North Cariboo plans a Flight Attendant ground school they will contact the Inflight Institute to review a list of candidates that have completed the program. Based on this review North Cariboo may select individuals for an interview."
Doesn't say you have to have the course. If your already a F/A then you don't nessessarily need the course. Why should NCA pay for you to go through the course and then you are a complete retard in the interview, now they just wasted time and money on you.
Doesn't say you have to have the course. If your already a F/A then you don't nessessarily need the course. Why should NCA pay for you to go through the course and then you are a complete retard in the interview, now they just wasted time and money on you.
Sorry Turbo prop but I am going to play cut and paste here for a sec
you said
"Doesn't say you have to have the course."
but on the website it states
"Candidates must provide a certification of completion prior to being considered for employment. "
Again you say
"If your already a F/A then you don't nessessarily need the course."
And NCA says
"North Cariboo endorses and uses the Inflight Institute. com for all Flight Attendant hiring. "
Thanks for helping out though
WELL it seems like this post is better off dieing for lack of meaningful thought
you said
"Doesn't say you have to have the course."
but on the website it states
"Candidates must provide a certification of completion prior to being considered for employment. "
Again you say
"If your already a F/A then you don't nessessarily need the course."
And NCA says
"North Cariboo endorses and uses the Inflight Institute. com for all Flight Attendant hiring. "
Thanks for helping out though
WELL it seems like this post is better off dieing for lack of meaningful thought
